I was playing around with Nvu, and discovered it has serious problems. Mainly that it reformats one's code regardless of whether or not one selects the "Don't reformat code" option.
I know there are a few HTML editors out there, so I'm not asking if they exist. What I'm wondering if there are those on this list who may have a recommendation for one they like and why. I'm also asking on some other lists.
Although I'm looking for editors that will run on CentOS, I can understand if this strays too much from the topic of the list. PLease email me off list if you feel that would be more appropriate.
Dave
On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 10:25 +0900, Dave Gutteridge wrote:
I know there are a few HTML editors out there, so I'm not asking if they exist. What I'm wondering if there are those on this list who may have a recommendation for one they like and why. I'm also asking on some other lists.
Bluefish, because it supports gnome-vfs.
On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 10:25 +0900, Dave Gutteridge wrote:
I was playing around with Nvu, and discovered it has serious problems. Mainly that it reformats one's code regardless of whether or not one selects the "Don't reformat code" option.
I know there are a few HTML editors out there, so I'm not asking if they exist. What I'm wondering if there are those on this list who may have a recommendation for one they like and why. I'm also asking on some other lists.
Although I'm looking for editors that will run on CentOS, I can understand if this strays too much from the topic of the list. PLease email me off list if you feel that would be more appropriate.
---- I haven't been able to make much sense of NVU - Bluefish has worked for me
Craig
Dave Gutteridge wrote:
I was playing around with Nvu, and discovered it has serious problems. Mainly that it reformats one's code regardless of whether or not one selects the "Don't reformat code" option.
I know there are a few HTML editors out there, so I'm not asking if they exist. What I'm wondering if there are those on this list who may have a recommendation for one they like and why. I'm also asking on some other lists.
Although I'm looking for editors that will run on CentOS, I can understand if this strays too much from the topic of the list. PLease email me off list if you feel that would be more appropriate.
What's wrong with Emacs? 8-) If you're running X, there's always Xemacs. It won't be long before Stallman will just have all computers boot straight into Emacs. 8-)
For the hard core, there's also vi.
Cheers,
On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 10:25 +0900, Dave Gutteridge wrote:
I was playing around with Nvu, and discovered it has serious problems. Mainly that it reformats one's code regardless of whether or not one selects the "Don't reformat code" option.
Yep, don't like that "feature" either ... best web editor I've found is Macromedia Dreamweaver if you like to hand edit code and use WYSIWYG. If Nvu had that option to "Don't reformat code" I would probably be more than happy using it ... it even messes with comments and Javascript.
I know there are a few HTML editors out there, so I'm not asking if they exist. What I'm wondering if there are those on this list who may have a recommendation for one they like and why. I'm also asking on some other lists.
Although I'm looking for editors that will run on CentOS, I can understand if this strays too much from the topic of the list. PLease email me off list if you feel that would be more appropriate.
Well if you don't need WYSIWYG then Bluefish is a good code based editor similar to the old Homesite before Macromedia bought it.
Paul
On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 21:24 -0500, Paul wrote:
Yep, don't like that "feature" either ... best web editor I've found is Macromedia Dreamweaver if you like to hand edit code and use WYSIWYG. If Nvu had that option to "Don't reformat code" I would probably be more than happy using it ... it even messes with comments and Javascript.
That's a drag to hear that. I use Eclipse, since I either do Ruby or Java/JSP work, but I keep reading good things about Nvu. I guess it has its issues still. That's unfortunate.
Preston
--- Dave Gutteridge dave@tokyocomedy.com wrote:
I was playing around with Nvu, and discovered it has serious problems. Mainly that it reformats one's code regardless of whether or not one selects the "Don't reformat code" option.
I know there are a few HTML editors out there, so I'm not asking if they exist. What I'm wondering if there are those on this list who may have a recommendation for one they like and why. I'm also asking on some other lists.
Although I'm looking for editors that will run on CentOS, I can understand if this strays too much from the topic of the list. PLease email me off list if you feel that would be more appropriate.
Dave
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One thing good about having Dave come on every so often with questions, it keeps us on our toes and and always thinking and sharp..... LMAO.....
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"On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section, it said 'Requires Windows or better'. So I installed Linux."
On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 19:27 -0700, Steven Vishoot wrote:
One thing good about having Dave come on every so often with questions, it keeps us on our toes and and always thinking and sharp.
---- a discussion of html editors keep you on your toes?
Craig
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On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 19:27 -0700, Steven Vishoot wrote:
One thing good about having Dave come on every so often with questions, it keeps us on our toes and
and
always thinking and sharp.
a discussion of html editors keep you on your toes?
Craig
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Now everyone wants to be a comedian these days. Wonder why that field has such high unemployment rate.... :-0
Steven
"On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section, it said 'Requires Windows or better'. So I installed Linux."
Good evening, Dave...
On Monday 19 September 2005 6:25 pm, Dave Gutteridge wrote:
Although I'm looking for editors that will run on CentOS, I can understand if this strays too much from the topic of the list. PLease email me off list if you feel that would be more appropriate.
Ironically, I just finished compiling one of my absolute *favorite* text editors, Jed, from source, since I use it in nearly everything I do. It does not come with CentOS, but it is a whiz to install. Add the durable power of Aspell and some of its internals and you have one of the finest non-GUI text editors around.
I also installed (from an RPM) Pico and Pine, and Joe for one of my office staff, since he likes Joe better than Jed.
Of course, for those colon-challenged among us, there is always Vi.
Dave
On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 19:51 -0700, Dave Laird wrote: [snip]
I also installed (from an RPM) Pico and Pine, and Joe for one of my office staff, since he likes Joe better than Jed.
Of course, for those colon-challenged among us, there is always Vi.
I never used Jed but when I started to play with Linux I used Joe and Pico with Pine. They were pretty easy compared to emacs and vi as they both were clones of (iirc) Wordstar. Never seriously used emacs. Too much religion and "resistance is futile" :) Since I had to use vi in a few AIX classes I started using it. Forgot most of the commands to do stuff but if you remember :w to save, :i to insert and :dd to delete a line you can get a long way. For html I use Bluefish. There is also Quanta if you don't mind a KDE environment.
Regards, Patrick
Good morning, Patrick...
On Tuesday 20 September 2005 2:54 am, Patrick wrote:
much religion and "resistance is futile" :) Since I had to use vi in a few AIX classes I started using it. Forgot most of the commands to do stuff but if you remember :w to save, :i to insert and :dd to delete a line you can get a long way. For html I use Bluefish. There is also Quanta if you don't mind a KDE environment.
Don't mind? <grin> KDE is one of the first things I installed on my latest CentOS box. The eye candy just keeps getting better and better, now if the author will please go back and fix gpg-agent one more time, and perhaps port KDE over to AIX we might have something. <huge grin>
Dave
Thank you everyone for the helpful advice. Looking at the suggestions, makes me think I might have to re-approach how I do web site management.
Up until now I have used mainly Adobe's GoLive, and occasionally Dreamweaver. Far from being wonderful solutions to HTML coding, they often come with bloated proprietary code and weird results with parsing elements. Nvu, while disappointing in this regard, is hardly alone.
I was kind of looking for something a little WYSIWYG, but I'm thinking maybe that's not necessary anymore. I do so much with PHP these days that I'm hand coding everything anyway.
So then I thought that one of the real advantages to a program like GoLive are two things, not to do with previews of GUIs. the two most significant features are templates, and smart FTP uploads.
Templates I can probably migrate away from, as that too I am accomplishing more and more with PHP. But the smart FTP upload is nice.
My web server uses Fedora to store all my web documents in a directory structure very much like what I have at home. Maybe even exactly, since both home and host use Red Hat inspired builds.
What I'm wondering now is if what I should do is mirror the directory structure I have on my host here at home. Then I can do all my editing, and serve and test everything at home pretty much exactly as it will be served from the host. And then when I'm happy with my updates, to upload it to my server.
But, even though I have a fast fiber optic connection, I still don't think I would want to just straight up mirror the two directories. I have images and movie files and whatnot that still eat up connection time.
Which is my long winded way of coming around to asking - what would be the best approach to uploading data from my machine in this circumstance? Is there an FTP utility that, like GoLive, will track which documents have been modified since last upload and send only those?
Dave
On 9/20/05, Dave Gutteridge dave@tokyocomedy.com wrote:
Thank you everyone for the helpful advice. Looking at the suggestions, makes me think I might have to re-approach how I do web site management.
Up until now I have used mainly Adobe's GoLive, and occasionally Dreamweaver. Far from being wonderful solutions to HTML coding, they often come with bloated proprietary code and weird results with parsing elements. Nvu, while disappointing in this regard, is hardly alone.
I was kind of looking for something a little WYSIWYG, but I'm thinking maybe that's not necessary anymore. I do so much with PHP these days that I'm hand coding everything anyway.
So then I thought that one of the real advantages to a program like GoLive are two things, not to do with previews of GUIs. the two most significant features are templates, and smart FTP uploads.
Templates I can probably migrate away from, as that too I am accomplishing more and more with PHP. But the smart FTP upload is nice.
My web server uses Fedora to store all my web documents in a directory structure very much like what I have at home. Maybe even exactly, since both home and host use Red Hat inspired builds.
What I'm wondering now is if what I should do is mirror the directory structure I have on my host here at home. Then I can do all my editing, and serve and test everything at home pretty much exactly as it will be served from the host. And then when I'm happy with my updates, to upload it to my server.
But, even though I have a fast fiber optic connection, I still don't think I would want to just straight up mirror the two directories. I have images and movie files and whatnot that still eat up connection time.
Which is my long winded way of coming around to asking - what would be the best approach to uploading data from my machine in this circumstance? Is there an FTP utility that, like GoLive, will track which documents have been modified since last upload and send only those?
rsync or unison for mirroring.
Maybe subversion or CVS?
Disclaimer: I'm not a programer
-- Leonard Isham, CISSP Ostendo non ostento.
On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 11:16 +0900, Dave Gutteridge wrote:
Which is my long winded way of coming around to asking - what would be the best approach to uploading data from my machine in this circumstance? Is there an FTP utility that, like GoLive, will track which documents have been modified since last upload and send only those?
I haven't seen a FTP utility that can do that, but you can use rsync to do it.
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote:
On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 11:16 +0900, Dave Gutteridge wrote:
circumstance? Is there an FTP utility that, like GoLive, will track which documents have been modified since last upload and send only those?
I haven't seen a FTP utility that can do that, but you can use rsync to do it.
Would lftp's mirror option achieve something of this nature ?
- K
Take a look at: http://www.lyra.org/sitecopy/ (also available in Dag's repo).
I've been using it since a couple of years now without any problems.
Gilles.
On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 21:16, Dave Gutteridge wrote:
What I'm wondering now is if what I should do is mirror the directory structure I have on my host here at home. Then I can do all my editing, and serve and test everything at home pretty much exactly as it will be served from the host. And then when I'm happy with my updates, to upload it to my server.
cd into the top directory to copy and: rsync -essh -av . target_host:/target_dir Add -z for compression if the connection is slow. Using '.' as the source removes any question about whether it will create an extra subdirectory at the target.
Les Mikesell wrote:
On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 21:16, Dave Gutteridge wrote:
What I'm wondering now is if what I should do is mirror the directory structure I have on my host here at home. Then I can do all my editing, and serve and test everything at home pretty much exactly as it will be served from the host. And then when I'm happy with my updates, to upload it to my server.
cd into the top directory to copy and: rsync -essh -av . target_host:/target_dir Add -z for compression if the connection is slow. Using '.' as the source removes any question about whether it will create an extra subdirectory at the target.
perhaps http://dag.wieers.com/packages/sitecopy/
I haven't used it but looks like what you want :)
tom
On 9/20/05, Dave Gutteridge dave@tokyocomedy.com wrote:
Which is my long winded way of coming around to asking - what would be the best approach to uploading data from my machine in this circumstance? Is there an FTP utility that, like GoLive, will track which documents have been modified since last upload and send only those?
Why not use find and -mtime to get a list of files that were modified and then FTP that?
If you combined that with a "touch" of all files at the end you could keep good track of what needed to be uploaded.
Really though, everyone else is right, rsync is probably the way to go.
Greg
On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 23:45, Greg Knaddison wrote:
On 9/20/05, Dave Gutteridge dave@tokyocomedy.com wrote:
Which is my long winded way of coming around to asking - what would be the best approach to uploading data from my machine in this circumstance? Is there an FTP utility that, like GoLive, will track which documents have been modified since last upload and send only those?
Why not use find and -mtime to get a list of files that were modified and then FTP that?
If you combined that with a "touch" of all files at the end you could keep good track of what needed to be uploaded.
Really though, everyone else is right, rsync is probably the way to go.
Sorry if this was already suggested, but Quanta plus will do what you are asking. It tracks the files being edited and uploads only those that have been changed. I believe they moved Quanta plus into one of the kde packages but it runs under gnome just fine.
Sorry if this was already suggested, but Quanta plus will do what you are asking.
I'm still considering all the options people are presenting. But I wondered about Quanta plus in that if it's tied to KDE, won't it require that I download a billion different KDE packages? And isn't there a CPU cost in running a KDE program in Gnome?
Last time I did this, I tried to install Amarok and it seemed to install KDE and make it my default desktop without me even wanting it to. I tried working within KDE for a while, just to see how I liked it, and decided I preferred Gnome.
So while Quanta looks appealing, is it really feasible to run it in Gnome?
Dave
On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 13:53, Dave Gutteridge wrote:
Sorry if this was already suggested, but Quanta plus will do what you are asking.
I'm still considering all the options people are presenting. But I wondered about Quanta plus in that if it's tied to KDE, won't it require that I download a billion different KDE packages? And isn't there a CPU cost in running a KDE program in Gnome?
Last time I did this, I tried to install Amarok and it seemed to install KDE and make it my default desktop without me even wanting it to. I tried working within KDE for a while, just to see how I liked it, and decided I preferred Gnome.
So while Quanta looks appealing, is it really feasible to run it in Gnome?
I have not had any problems on my systems here. I prefer gnome as well. Quanta used to be a separate package but now it is part of kdewebdev package.
I have two systems here running gnome as the default desk top and I have quanta loaded.
Hi Scot and Dave,
Scot L. Harris wrote:
On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 13:53, Dave Gutteridge wrote:
Sorry if this was already suggested, but Quanta plus will do what you are asking.
Last time I did this, I tried to install Amarok and it seemed to install KDE and make it my default desktop without me even wanting it to. I tried working within KDE for a while, just to see how I liked it, and decided I preferred Gnome.
I take it this was via a yum install from kde-redhat's repo ? use that only if you intend to make KDE your default, you want the latest release's of KDE and associated packages and you are happy to live with the issues that brings.
So while Quanta looks appealing, is it really feasible to run it in Gnome?
Depends on how you install it, if you go back and setup kde-redhat's repository and get the package from there - it _will_ do the same thing it did to you the last time.
I have not had any problems on my systems here. I prefer gnome as well. Quanta used to be a separate package but now it is part of kdewebdev package.
There is no such package, kdewebdev { ref: http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4/os/i386/CentOS/RPMS/ }
and no, there is no Quanta included in CentOS4
- K
Dave Gutteridge wrote:
and no, there is no Quanta included in CentOS4
So does that mean I can't run Quanta?
No it does not mean you cant use Quanta - all it means is that you are going to need to find some other means[1] of installing it. For whatever little webwork that I do, Vim and Mozilla-composer are all I need.
Someone else who has used Quanta on CentOS4/i386 will need to answer here now - as to whats the best means to install it. That is, of-course, presuming that you have decided on Quanta.
- K
[1] Beyond the mirror.centos.org repo's
On Thursday 22 September 2005 05:57, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Someone else who has used Quanta on CentOS4/i386 will need to answer here now - as to whats the best means to install it. That is, of-course, presuming that you have decided on Quanta.
kde-redhat repos have quanta for rhel4 and rhel4 based distros (in kdewebdev)
On Thursday 22 September 2005 11:48, Dave Gutteridge wrote:
kde-redhat repos have quanta for rhel4 and rhel4 based distros (in kdewebdev)
Are these safe for CentOS?
If so, can you provide a URL?
http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/
Oh, I thought that was the place where I got the KDE settings that sort of messed with my settings a while back.
Hmmm... well, I used the repository for Red Hat, and got the necessary RPMs to run Quanta.
It looks nice, and I think I'll run with it for a while.
I'm glad I asked here, as I hadn't heard about it anywhere else, and it looks like it might be what I'm after.
Thank you everyone for your advice, suggestions, and support.
Dave
On Thursday 22 September 2005 13:02, Dave Gutteridge wrote:
Oh, I thought that was the place where I got the KDE settings that sort of messed with my settings a while back.
oficial kde in CentOS is kde 3.2 IIRC
in kde-redhat, is kde 3.4.2 the latest release. i remember that i have problems in gentoo when i upgrade from kde 3.3 to kde 3.4. With my CentOS machine i do a minimal install, and after this i add kde-redhat repos an install KDE. no problems in this way.
On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 19:14 +0900, Dave Gutteridge wrote:
and no, there is no Quanta included in CentOS4
So does that mean I can't run Quanta?
----- try rebuilding kdewebdev SRPM from fedora 3
Craig
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, Dave Gutteridge wrote:
So while Quanta looks appealing, is it really feasible to run it in Gnome?
Dave
Yes. FWIW, I actually bought Quanta Gold a couple years ago. I use it off and on (although use Eclipse more these days) and it works fine. It comes bundled with everything it needs in the RPMs.
Preston
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