Well, I updated my system late last week, and just thought to look: yes, I'm on t-bird 10.0.1, and I pull up the search messages window, and click on the dropdown... and there is NO OPTION to search the content of the messages.
Maybe kmail, or maybe mutt....
mark
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:14 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Well, I updated my system late last week, and just thought to look: yes, I'm on t-bird 10.0.1, and I pull up the search messages window, and click on the dropdown... and there is NO OPTION to search the content of the messages.
Did yours go through an update dialog when you first started it? And did you pick the 'sync' option for the account? After doing that, mine has 'body' in the search, and you can enter text in the search window in the toolbar and pick 'messages mentioning: (which will only appear if there are matches). If it is an imap account and you don't pick sync, it only downloads the headers until you read a message. Maybe non-imap accounts are different.
Les Mikesell wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:14 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Well, I updated my system late last week, and just thought to look: yes, I'm on t-bird 10.0.1, and I pull up the search messages window, and click on the dropdown... and there is NO OPTION to search the content
of the
messages.
Did yours go through an update dialog when you first started it? And
Yesss....
did you pick the 'sync' option for the account? After doing that,
No. I didn't know what it did.
mine has 'body' in the search, and you can enter text in the search window in the toolbar and pick 'messages mentioning: (which will only appear if there are matches). If it is an imap account and you don't pick sync, it only downloads the headers until you read a message. Maybe non-imap accounts are different.
This is work. The server's Exchange, of course, so it's an imap acct. Is there any way to pick sync afterwards? I don't see anything obvious in preferences.
mark
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:11 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
did you pick the 'sync' option for the account? After doing that,
No. I didn't know what it did.
It very specifically mentioned improving the search capability in the dialog where you made that choice...
mine has 'body' in the search, and you can enter text in the search window in the toolbar and pick 'messages mentioning: (which will only appear if there are matches). If it is an imap account and you don't pick sync, it only downloads the headers until you read a message. Maybe non-imap accounts are different.
This is work. The server's Exchange, of course, so it's an imap acct. Is there any way to pick sync afterwards? I don't see anything obvious in preferences.
Try 'Help/Migration Assistant' Worst case, you might delete the account and add it back.
By the way, if you have anywhere to run it, outlook from Microsoft Office 10 is very good at searching too - much nicer than earlier versions, although it takes forever to build its initial index.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikesell@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:11 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
did you pick the 'sync' option for the account? After doing that,
No. I didn't know what it did.
It very specifically mentioned improving the search capability in the dialog where you made that choice...
Wait, I just noticed that the 'Edit/Find/Search Messages' has an option to run search on server. If you check that, do you get 'body' in the drop-down?
If you have local disk space you'll probably want the speed from local indexing anyway, though.
Les Mikesell wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikesell@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:11 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
did you pick the 'sync' option for the account? After doing that,
No. I didn't know what it did.
It very specifically mentioned improving the search capability in the dialog where you made that choice...
Wait, I just noticed that the 'Edit/Find/Search Messages' has an option to run search on server. If you check that, do you get 'body' in the drop-down?
*BINGO* Good catch, Les - thanks!
mark
Les Mikesell wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:11 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
did you pick the 'sync' option for the account? After doing that,
No. I didn't know what it did.
It very specifically mentioned improving the search capability in the dialog where you made that choice...
Yeah, but who knows what that means. And why would they take *out* something that was *always* there before, regardless of settings like this? <snip>
Try 'Help/Migration Assistant'
Well, import didn't have it; I did go to account settings->synchronization & storage, and it has message synchronizing checked, and sync all messages regardless of age.
Worst case, you might delete the account and add it back.
I don't think so....
By the way, if you have anywhere to run it, outlook from Microsoft Office 10 is very good at searching too - much nicer than earlier versions, although it takes forever to build its initial index.
The gov laptop is at home. I turn it on *only* when I have to....
mark
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:57 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Try 'Help/Migration Assistant'
Well, import didn't have it; I did go to account settings->synchronization & storage, and it has message synchronizing checked, and sync all messages regardless of age.
Worst case, you might delete the account and add it back.
I don't think so....
I think you are going to want local search to work - and if everything is stored server-side you wouldn't lose anything by starting over.
By the way, if you have anywhere to run it, outlook from Microsoft Office 10 is very good at searching too - much nicer than earlier versions, although it takes forever to build its initial index.
The gov laptop is at home. I turn it on *only* when I have to....
I like lots of pixels in front of me so I park my laptop beside the desktop and run synergy on both to share the desktop keyboard/mouse and get cut/paste across them. Now my desktop is also windows but normally running NX to a server's freenx session so it might as well be linux - and in the past I've done the same with a linux desktop.
And actually, the webmail interface on current exchange servers isn't that bad either.
Les Mikesell wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:57 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
<snip>
The gov laptop is at home. I turn it on *only* when I have to....
I like lots of pixels in front of me so I park my laptop beside the desktop and run synergy on both to share the desktop keyboard/mouse and get cut/paste across them. Now my desktop is also windows but normally running NX to a server's freenx session so it might as well be linux - and in the past I've done the same with a linux desktop.
You don't have twinview (ok, that's an NVidia-ism), with two monitors? Most folks here, and where I've worked before, do.
And actually, the webmail interface on current exchange servers isn't that bad either.
Actually, it is - when I delete a message, it moves to the next, not to the list. But I really don't like webmail, even if that's what I'm using for this account from work (keeping my mail off their computers).
Speaking of which, Karanbir, the did some kind of sudden upgrade, and it's something called ensign over squirrelmail, and since I see my posts without adding a cc, I guess it's working correctly.
mark
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:57 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
<snip> >> The gov laptop is at home. I turn it on *only* when I have to.... > > I like lots of pixels in front of me so I park my laptop beside the > desktop and run synergy on both to share the desktop keyboard/mouse > and get cut/paste across them. Now my desktop is also windows but > normally running NX to a server's freenx session so it might as well > be linux - and in the past I've done the same with a linux desktop. > You don't have twinview (ok, that's an NVidia-ism), with two monitors? Most folks here, and where I've worked before, do.
Yes, the desktop has 2 23" monitors of its own. You just can't have too much screen space... Or maybe it is just that I'm not organized and I like to leave windows open. Or cached efficiently, the way I think of it.
And actually, the webmail interface on current exchange servers isn't that bad either.
Actually, it is - when I delete a message, it moves to the next, not to the list.
You must not have the same version. I get a 3-pane layout so it's not a choice of list or message. In fact I think it is exactly the same layout as the default in outlook 10, including the search box at the top of the header list.
But I really don't like webmail, even if that's what I'm using for this account from work (keeping my mail off their computers).
Gmail and current exchange versions aren't much like old-style webmail. There are still some slight differences like the search-as-you-type in the outlook/tbird apps, where the web counterparts wait until you finish, but multi-select, drag/drop and other app-like operations work in the exchange web interface, and gmail has a lot of configuration options about what to do next when you delete, etc.
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:14:30 -0400 m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Well, I updated my system late last week, and just thought to look: yes, I'm on t-bird 10.0.1, and I pull up the search messages window, and click on the dropdown... and there is NO OPTION to search the content of the messages.
Maybe kmail, or maybe mutt....
mark
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If you are thinking of switching, I switched to Claws-Mail a while back due to Thunderbird being a ____, I really like Claws now :-). It has that "Old School" feel to it... and it can search bodies :-D. (Right click folder, search folder)
Once you get it set up and configured (this may take a while for some..) it is a powerful client.
So yeah, if you get bored with Thunderbird, check out claws (I believe it installed from EPEL repo.)
Anyhow, as for Thunderbird's search, I believe there was either an addon for more advanced search, or it was hidden away in a menu somewhere. Try right-clicking a folder and hitting search, I think it is there aswell.
Just my 2c.
On 03/13/2012 10:14 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Well, I updated my system late last week, and just thought to look: yes, I'm on t-bird 10.0.1, and I pull up the search messages window, and click on the dropdown... and there is NO OPTION to search the content of the messages.
Maybe kmail, or maybe mutt....
I am not sure what you mean.
In thunderbird, Shift-Ctrl-K allows you to set a filter for messages ... it allows you to filter on Sender, Recipient, Subject, or Body
If you press Shift-Ctrl-F you can search messages and there is a dropdown box for searching that has more than 20 things you can search including body.
Body == message content (it is everything that is not headers and attachments)
I have never seen a client that is as easy to search from ... not sure what the issue is. The main reason I use thunderbird is because of the unbelievable search features and indexes.
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 03/13/2012 10:14 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Well, I updated my system late last week, and just thought to look: yes, I'm on t-bird 10.0.1, and I pull up the search messages window, and click on the dropdown... and there is NO OPTION to search the content
of the
messages.
Maybe kmail, or maybe mutt....
I am not sure what you mean.
In thunderbird, Shift-Ctrl-K allows you to set a filter for messages ... it allows you to filter on Sender, Recipient, Subject, or Body
If you press Shift-Ctrl-F you can search messages and there is a dropdown box for searching that has more than 20 things you can search including body.
Ah, but that's my problem: it *used* to be there, and isn't, any more. And when I want to search body, I 100% of the time need to set more conditions above it, starting with date.
mark
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:01:10 -0500 Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org wrote:
On 03/13/2012 10:14 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Well, I updated my system late last week, and just thought to look: yes, I'm on t-bird 10.0.1, and I pull up the search messages window, and click on the dropdown... and there is NO OPTION to search the content of the messages.
Maybe kmail, or maybe mutt....
I am not sure what you mean.
In thunderbird, Shift-Ctrl-K allows you to set a filter for messages ... it allows you to filter on Sender, Recipient, Subject, or Body
If you press Shift-Ctrl-F you can search messages and there is a dropdown box for searching that has more than 20 things you can search including body.
Body == message content (it is everything that is not headers and attachments)
I have never seen a client that is as easy to search from ... not sure what the issue is. The main reason I use thunderbird is because of the unbelievable search features and indexes.
Oh? I have, I found Claws to have quite advanced search, filters, actions etc. It's one of the main reasons I switched :-)
Here's a screenshot of claws extended search:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Jake Shipton jakems@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Oh? I have, I found Claws to have quite advanced search, filters, actions etc. It's one of the main reasons I switched :-)
Here's a screenshot of claws extended search:
Nothing in particular jumps out at me that you can't do in t-bird. Did you find something specific? In t-bird, the handiest thing is the toolbar 'search all messages' box that is very fast and does partial matches as you type. But, for non-work mail these days I just use a free gmail account and google obviously knows how to search.
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:42:44 -0500 Les Mikesell lesmikesell@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Jake Shipton jakems@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Oh? I have, I found Claws to have quite advanced search, filters, actions etc. It's one of the main reasons I switched :-)
Here's a screenshot of claws extended search:
Nothing in particular jumps out at me that you can't do in t-bird. Did you find something specific? In t-bird, the handiest thing is the toolbar 'search all messages' box that is very fast and does partial matches as you type. But, for non-work mail these days I just use a free gmail account and google obviously knows how to search.
I was merely saying, that Claws Mail can search just as advanced as TB, and sometimes better and more precise (or so it does for me).
However, for me, it is not only the search which drags me to claws-mail it is the advanced filtering, actions after mail is fetched, the light resource usage etc. Personally it just suits me.
But of course, everybody is different and prefer different things :-).
I was a Thunderbird user for a very long time (since it's early days) I watched it grow, and become a great client, but then I personally find it went down hill after. But just my personal opinion.
As for webmail, good idea if you are on the move, very handy, but I'll always prefer a proper client over a web gui :-). Gmail it's self is a good service however. I use it, but usually only via IMAP. :-)
I am just suggesting, if someone feels like "it's time for a change" they should check out claws, if they are happy with Thunderbird, by all means carry on using it :-).
On 03/13/2012 10:42 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Jake Shipton jakems@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Oh? I have, I found Claws to have quite advanced search, filters, actions etc. It's one of the main reasons I switched :-)
Here's a screenshot of claws extended search:
Nothing in particular jumps out at me that you can't do in t-bird. Did you find something specific? In t-bird, the handiest thing is the toolbar 'search all messages' box that is very fast and does partial matches as you type. But, for non-work mail these days I just use a free gmail account and google obviously knows how to search.
The last time claws was mentioned on the list, I decided to try it. Besides being very slow in handling large folders, it crashed on me several times. I have many large mail folders with over 60,000 messages that thunderbird handles just fine. I am able to do server side searches with no problem on the large folders. I've never found another mail client that reasonably handles this and it's reasonably fast too. No, I don't keep local indexes for those folders.
Nataraj
On 03/13/2012 08:14 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Well, I updated my system late last week, and just thought to look: yes, I'm on t-bird 10.0.1, and I pull up the search messages window, and click on the dropdown... and there is NO OPTION to search the content of the messages.
View => Toolbars => Quick Filter Bar
will do what you want...
Using T-Bird 10.0.2 here, clicking on the account name and then choosing "Search Messages" offers a pull-down entry for 'body', so I don't know what your issue is.
;-(
On 03/14/2012 07:58 PM, KevinO wrote:
On 03/13/2012 08:14 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Well, I updated my system late last week, and just thought to look: yes, I'm on t-bird 10.0.1, and I pull up the search messages window, and click on the dropdown... and there is NO OPTION to search the content of the messages.
View => Toolbars => Quick Filter Bar
will do what you want...
Using T-Bird 10.0.2 here, clicking on the account name and then choosing "Search Messages" offers a pull-down entry for 'body', so I don't know what your issue is.
This is exactly my experience too ... I can easily both filter and search on body.
Might I recommend that you move your .thunderbird to .thunderbird.old (or use a linux user) to set up a new profile for testing and see what that looks like.
If it works as expected, then you might have customized your current profile to somehow remove Body from the search. I'm sure it can be undone if that is the case.
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 06:38:56 -0500 Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org wrote:
On 03/14/2012 07:58 PM, KevinO wrote:
On 03/13/2012 08:14 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Well, I updated my system late last week, and just thought to look: yes, I'm on t-bird 10.0.1, and I pull up the search messages window, and click on the dropdown... and there is NO OPTION to search the content of the messages.
View => Toolbars => Quick Filter Bar
will do what you want...
Using T-Bird 10.0.2 here, clicking on the account name and then choosing "Search Messages" offers a pull-down entry for 'body', so I don't know what your issue is.
This is exactly my experience too ... I can easily both filter and search on body.
Might I recommend that you move your .thunderbird to .thunderbird.old (or use a linux user) to set up a new profile for testing and see what that looks like.
If it works as expected, then you might have customized your current profile to somehow remove Body from the search. I'm sure it can be undone if that is the case.
Rather than renaming the ".thunderbird" directory, there is an easier way to do this :-)
start thunderbird with "-ProfileManager". Example
$ thunderbird -ProfileManager
This will allow you to create, delete, rename profiles and choose a different one :-)
I know on firefox you can use "-no-remote -P <profile>" to run two profiles and instances of firefox at the same time. I am not sure if this will work with Thunderbird (I don't have it installed to check), but if it does, it would allow you to compare them and configure the new one similar to your old one.
Hope this helps :-).
Jake Shipton wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 06:38:56 -0500 Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org wrote:
On 03/14/2012 07:58 PM, KevinO wrote:
On 03/13/2012 08:14 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Well, I updated my system late last week, and just thought to look: yes, I'm on t-bird 10.0.1, and I pull up the search messages window, and click on the dropdown... and there is NO OPTION to search the content of the messages.
View => Toolbars => Quick Filter Bar
will do what you want...
Using T-Bird 10.0.2 here, clicking on the account name and then choosing "Search Messages" offers a pull-down entry for 'body', so I don't know what your issue is.
This is exactly my experience too ... I can easily both filter and search on body.
<snip> Didn't my last reply to this thread, a day or two ago, go out? Les had it dead on - it *is* an imap account at work, and I had to click on "run search on server", and voila, body shows up in search options.
And if it *didn't* make it to the list - I thought it had, thanks again, Les, that was a dead on catch.
mark
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:15 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
This is exactly my experience too ... I can easily both filter and search on body.
<snip> Didn't my last reply to this thread, a day or two ago, go out? Les had it dead on - it *is* an imap account at work, and I had to click on "run search on server", and voila, body shows up in search options.
And if it *didn't* make it to the list - I thought it had, thanks again, Les, that was a dead on catch.
But you are still missing something - you should only have to run the search on the server if you don't sync the bodies locally. If you do sync locally, you should have the body option in the extended search dialog and they should be included when you use the quick search box in the toolbar (or ctl-K) - and it should be extremely fast.
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