I sometimes receive e-mails I post to this list, like I did the bug I reported about X problems, but other times not, like my first post about that before I reported the bug. That one appeared in gmane, but Evolution never picked it up.
And today I've not seen either of my posts but I know it got there because I did see a reply to my post about the flash plugin and it had a snippet of my post init.
I've looked at all the seetings I can think of and nothing struck me as suppressing my own.
I use gmail and ISTR a discussion recently about some issues with that.
Anyone got a clue(bat) for me?
Thanks, Bill
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Bill Maltby (C4B) centos4bill@gmail.com wrote:
I sometimes receive e-mails I post to this list, like I did the bug I reported about X problems, but other times not, like my first post about that before I reported the bug. That one appeared in gmane, but Evolution never picked it up.
And today I've not seen either of my posts but I know it got there because I did see a reply to my post about the flash plugin and it had a snippet of my post init.
I've looked at all the seetings I can think of and nothing struck me as suppressing my own.
I use gmail and ISTR a discussion recently about some issues with that.
Anyone got a clue(bat) for me?
Gmail conveniently hides list emails that you send from appearing as new in your inbox because you've obviously already seen them. Opinions may differ on that matter of course.... If you are using the web interface you can find them with a search like 'from: me' (which also usefully picks up responses to threads where you have posted, at least in the conversation view).
On Wed, 2014-12-17 at 17:00 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Bill Maltby (C4B) centos4bill@gmail.com wrote:
I sometimes receive e-mails I post to this list, like I did the bug I reported about X problems, but other times not, like my first post about that before I reported the bug. That one appeared in gmane, but Evolution never picked it up.
<snip>
I use gmail and ISTR a discussion recently about some issues with that.
Anyone got a clue(bat) for me?
Gmail conveniently hides list emails that you send from appearing as new in your inbox because you've obviously already seen them. Opinions may differ on that matter of course.... If you are using the web interface you can find them with a search like 'from: me' (which also usefully picks up responses to threads where you have posted, at least in the conversation view).
Thanks Les. I use Evolution to pick up and download and almost never use the web interface. I suspected what you describe but was foolishly thinking there must be some setting so I could see my own stuff.
Oh well ...
Again, thanks for taking the time. Bill
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Bill Maltby (C4B) centos4bill@gmail.com wrote:
Gmail conveniently hides list emails that you send from appearing as new in your inbox because you've obviously already seen them. Opinions may differ on that matter of course.... If you are using the web interface you can find them with a search like 'from: me' (which also usefully picks up responses to threads where you have posted, at least in the conversation view).
Thanks Les. I use Evolution to pick up and download and almost never use the web interface. I suspected what you describe but was foolishly thinking there must be some setting so I could see my own stuff.
I've come to like - or at least tolerate the web interface after a little tweaking of the settings that you can control. Partly because I can access it easily from multiple computers without any setup and it always stays in perfect sync with my phone, and partly because of that search capability. One important thing to tweak for for usability is to advance to the next message on archive/delete instead of wasting time redrawing the index - and that might be in the 'labs' part of the settings.
On 2014-12-17, Bill Maltby (C4B) centos4bill@gmail.com wrote:
I sometimes receive e-mails I post to this list, like I did the bug I reported about X problems, but other times not, like my first post about that before I reported the bug.
[snip]
I use gmail and ISTR a discussion recently about some issues with that.
That's actually surprising that you've gotten any copies at all. Gmail has never delivered a copy of mail I've sent to a list where I'm a subscriber (which is colossally stupid). So it's totally normal.
If you want to be sure a message you've sent was delivered to the list, the surest way is to check the archives.
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/
--keith
On 12/17/14 19:31, Keith Keller wrote:
On 2014-12-17, Bill Maltby (C4B) centos4bill@gmail.com wrote:
I sometimes receive e-mails I post to this list, like I did the bug I reported about X problems, but other times not, like my first post about that before I reported the bug.
[snip]
I use gmail and ISTR a discussion recently about some issues with that.
That's actually surprising that you've gotten any copies at all. Gmail has never delivered a copy of mail I've sent to a list where I'm a subscriber (which is colossally stupid). So it's totally normal.
If you want to be sure a message you've sent was delivered to the list, the surest way is to check the archives.
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/
--keith
You could also address the email to yourself on a different mail server than the one your sending it from. I send to the list on gmail and address a copy to myself on AOL.
On 2014-12-18, Mark LaPierre wrote:
You could also address the email to yourself on a different mail server than the one your sending it from. I send to the list on gmail and address a copy to myself on AOL.
That won't help indicate whether your post made it to the list or not. You'd need to be subscribed to the list from both addresses, and not cc: yourself. But then you'd get two copies of every message, which seems wasteful to me; it seems easier just to check the web archives for the few posts most of us make. (If all you want is a copy of your mail, you don't need to go through this process.)
OT: on a handful of Mailman lists, for some reason the SMTP server was slow delivering mail to my mailbox. But responses show up in the web archives pretty much right away. So for some questions I had I would bounce on the archives to see responses more quickly (it would seldom but sometimes be hours between the post hitting the archives and hitting my mailbox).
--keith
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Keith Keller kkeller@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us wrote:
On 2014-12-18, Mark LaPierre wrote:
You could also address the email to yourself on a different mail server than the one your sending it from. I send to the list on gmail and address a copy to myself on AOL.
That won't help indicate whether your post made it to the list or not. You'd need to be subscribed to the list from both addresses, and not cc: yourself. But then you'd get two copies of every message, which seems wasteful to me; it seems easier just to check the web archives for the few posts most of us make. (If all you want is a copy of your mail, you don't need to go through this process.)
Or, just make the question interesting enough that someone will reply to it....
On Wed, 2014-12-17 at 23:53 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Keith Keller kkeller@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us wrote:
On 2014-12-18, Mark LaPierre wrote:
<snip>
Or, just make the question interesting enough that someone will reply to it....
Does a crash report and bug filing qualify? The silence on that one has deafened me! :-))
But I know real life and other obligations and ... may prevent any response, so it doesn't bother me .... much! ;-)
Bill
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Bill Maltby (C4B) centos4bill@gmail.com wrote:
Or, just make the question interesting enough that someone will reply to it....
Does a crash report and bug filing qualify? The silence on that one has deafened me! :-))
Only if someone else has seen the same symptoms. I've got one box that hangs every few weeks but I'm guessing it is something hardware related...
On Thu, 2014-12-18 at 18:23 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Bill Maltby (C4B) centos4bill@gmail.com wrote:
Or, just make the question interesting enough that someone will reply to it....
Does a crash report and bug filing qualify? The silence on that one has deafened me! :-))
Only if someone else has seen the same symptoms. I've got one box that hangs every few weeks but I'm guessing it is something hardware related...
After my initial travails after the upgrade, I suspected the same and ran the memtest overnight. All was OK in my case though. Haven't had any problems since I stopped trying to paddle the canoe the way I've been doing for so many years.
Bill
On 12/17/14 23:56, Keith Keller wrote:
On 2014-12-18, Mark LaPierre wrote:
You could also address the email to yourself on a different mail server than the one your sending it from. I send to the list on gmail and address a copy to myself on AOL.
That won't help indicate whether your post made it to the list or not. You'd need to be subscribed to the list from both addresses, and not cc: yourself. But then you'd get two copies of every message, which seems wasteful to me; it seems easier just to check the web archives for the few posts most of us make. (If all you want is a copy of your mail, you don't need to go through this process.)
OT: on a handful of Mailman lists, for some reason the SMTP server was slow delivering mail to my mailbox. But responses show up in the web archives pretty much right away. So for some questions I had I would bounce on the archives to see responses more quickly (it would seldom but sometimes be hours between the post hitting the archives and hitting my mailbox).
--keith
I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood the OP.
Set your mail preferences to send an acknowledgment of your posting. That message will not get helpfully deleted. Then you will know that your posting has made it to the list and, if you followed my first suggestion, you will have a copy of your posting on your other mail account that you can move to your CentOS mail box with a rule.
It's clunky as all get out but it works.
On Wed, 2014-12-17 at 22:00 -0500, Mark LaPierre wrote:
On 12/17/14 19:31, Keith Keller wrote:
On 2014-12-17, Bill Maltby (C4B) centos4bill@gmail.com wrote:
I sometimes receive e-mails I post to this list, like I did the bug I reported about X problems, but other times not, like my first post about that before I reported the bug.
[snip]
I use gmail and ISTR a discussion recently about some issues with that.
<snip>
You could also address the email to yourself on a different mail server than the one your sending it from. I send to the list on gmail and address a copy to myself on AOL.
That's something I wouldn't mind if I was trying to a) Exit roadrunner dependency 100% and b) simplify things. :-))
Since I'm comfy with searching the centos e-mail lists and/or peeking at my gmail account and seldom believe it was actually *not* delivered, I think I'll just live with it.
A suggestion I hadn't considered though and I appreciate that you took the time, which I know is valuable for all of us.
Thanks! Bill
On Wed, 2014-12-17 at 16:31 -0800, Keith Keller wrote:
On 2014-12-17, Bill Maltby (C4B) centos4bill@gmail.com wrote:
I sometimes receive e-mails I post to this list, like I did the bug I reported about X problems, but other times not, like my first post about that before I reported the bug.
[snip]
I use gmail and ISTR a discussion recently about some issues with that.
That's actually surprising that you've gotten any copies at all. Gmail has never delivered a copy of mail I've sent to a list where I'm a subscriber (which is colossally stupid). So it's totally normal.
If you want to be sure a message you've sent was delivered to the list, the surest way is to check the archives.
Thanks Kieth - that's exactly what I normally do, unless I'm logged into google (seldom) for some other reason and then I might just look in the web mail.
--keith
Thanks for the reply! Bill
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