On Tue, September 9, 2014 13:03, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Tue, September 9, 2014 11:56 am, John R Pierce wrote:
On 9/9/2014 9:42 AM, a. wrote:
its imho cheaper than the huge investment costs of laser printers.
B&W laser printers are as cheap as $70, for example, Brother HL-2240, and have vastly lower price-per-page... they print well on the cheapest copier paper (inkjets tend to need premium surfaced papers or they look very smudgy), the toner cartridges are /way/ cheaper than inkjet inks per page.
Basically I would choose based on what you will print. It these are tax returns and other important documents, then it has to be laser. These documents then will survive flood. If these are photographs, then it has to be ink printer (color is the one I would get). As ink blends, but the powder of laser printers doesn't. Hence the difference in reproducing half-tones, gradual color changes.
Water immersion survivability is dependent on the quality of the paper as well as the type of print medium. I do not know if others have experienced this but the quality of copier/printer paper now available to us exhibits noticeably inferior stability when wetted from paper of the same weight from the same brand-name supplier obtained as recently as four years ago. I can attest to that because I have compared the two. Increasing the paper weight improves wetted stability only marginally and certainly not the the level exhibited in the older paper stock. And this is so-called 'premium' stuff I am writing about.
I suspect the increasing use of recycled, and therefore shortened fibre, in production of modern papers has something to do with this.
James B. Byrne wrote:
On Tue, September 9, 2014 13:03, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Tue, September 9, 2014 11:56 am, John R Pierce wrote:
On 9/9/2014 9:42 AM, a. wrote:
its imho cheaper than the huge investment costs of laser printers.
<snip>
Water immersion survivability is dependent on the quality of the paper as well as the type of print medium. I do not know if others have
experienced
this but the quality of copier/printer paper now available to us exhibits noticeably inferior stability when wetted from paper of the same weight from the same brand-name supplier obtained as recently as four years
ago. I
can attest to that because I have compared the two. Increasing the paper weight improves wetted stability only marginally and certainly not the
the level
exhibited in the older paper stock. And this is so-called 'premium' stuff I am writing about.
I suspect the increasing use of recycled, and therefore shortened fibre, in> production of modern papers has something to do with this.
Oother possibilities are clay content, or acid content of the paper.
mark
On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:10:19 m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
James B. Byrne wrote:
On Tue, September 9, 2014 13:03, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Tue, September 9, 2014 11:56 am, John R Pierce wrote:
On 9/9/2014 9:42 AM, a. wrote:
its imho cheaper than the huge investment costs of laser printers.
<snip>
Water immersion survivability is dependent on the quality of the paper as well as the type of print medium. I do not know if others have
experienced
this but the quality of copier/printer paper now available to us exhibits noticeably inferior stability when wetted from paper of the same weight from the same brand-name supplier obtained as recently as four years
One of my recreational activities is caving. When surveying a cave we always use Rite-In-The-Rain paper. It is almost completely waterproof. I have managed to dunk my survey book in a stream for minutes at a time. The paper and the pencil sketching survived. It also survives getting muddy.
They offer products that will go through a laser or ink-jet printer.
For long-term storage (decades or more) the jury is out. I have survey notes from 15 years ago that are still usable. They are stored in an ordinary filing cabinet in my house - No special environmental efforts are taken. It seems reasonable that Rite-In-The-Rain paper will store at least as well as regular paper.
It is pricey, but if you really need waterproof then this is good stuff.
Bill Gee
Bill Gee wrote:
On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:10:19 m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
James B. Byrne wrote:
On Tue, September 9, 2014 13:03, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Tue, September 9, 2014 11:56 am, John R Pierce wrote:
On 9/9/2014 9:42 AM, a. wrote:
its imho cheaper than the huge investment costs of laser printers.
<snip> > Water immersion survivability is dependent on the quality of the paper > as well as the type of print medium. I do not know if others have > experienced this but the quality of copier/printer paper now
available to us
exhibits noticeably inferior stability when wetted from paper of the
same
weight from the same brand-name supplier obtained as recently as four
years
One of my recreational activities is caving. When surveying a cave we always use Rite-In-The-Rain paper. It is almost completely waterproof.
I have
managed to dunk my survey book in a stream for minutes at a time. The paper and the pencil sketching survived. It also survives getting muddy.
They offer products that will go through a laser or ink-jet printer.
<snip>
Thank you, very much. I know a number of folks (including maybe my wife and stepson, the Boy Sprout) who might be very interested in that.
mark
On Wed, September 10, 2014 10:51 am, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Bill Gee wrote:
On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:10:19 m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
James B. Byrne wrote:
On Tue, September 9, 2014 13:03, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Tue, September 9, 2014 11:56 am, John R Pierce wrote:
On 9/9/2014 9:42 AM, a. wrote: > its imho cheaper than the huge investment costs of laser > printers.
<snip> > Water immersion survivability is dependent on the quality of the paper > as well as the type of print medium. I do not know if others have > experienced this but the quality of copier/printer paper now
available to us
exhibits noticeably inferior stability when wetted from paper of the
same
weight from the same brand-name supplier obtained as recently as four
years
One of my recreational activities is caving. When surveying a cave we always use Rite-In-The-Rain paper. It is almost completely waterproof.
I have
managed to dunk my survey book in a stream for minutes at a time. The paper and the pencil sketching survived. It also survives getting muddy.
They offer products that will go through a laser or ink-jet printer.
<snip>
Thank you, very much. I know a number of folks (including maybe my wife and stepson, the Boy Sprout) who might be very interested in that.
Me too. Thanks a lot Bill!
Valeri
mark
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On 09/10/2014 05:00 PM, Bill Gee wrote:
On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:10:19 m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
James B. Byrne wrote:
On Tue, September 9, 2014 13:03, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Tue, September 9, 2014 11:56 am, John R Pierce wrote:
On 9/9/2014 9:42 AM, a. wrote:
its imho cheaper than the huge investment costs of laser printers.
<snip>
Water immersion survivability is dependent on the quality of the paper as well as the type of print medium. I do not know if others have
experienced
this but the quality of copier/printer paper now available to us exhibits noticeably inferior stability when wetted from paper of the same weight from the same brand-name supplier obtained as recently as four years
One of my recreational activities is caving. When surveying a cave we always use Rite-In-The-Rain paper. It is almost completely waterproof. I have managed to dunk my survey book in a stream for minutes at a time. The paper and the pencil sketching survived. It also survives getting muddy.
It has been around 40 years since the last time I put on my Carbide lamp and went down a hole into the wonderful world of spelunking (Bloomington Ill area). We had to wrap our notebooks in double plastic bags (did we even have ziplocks back then?) as well as the carbide! Still have one carbide lamp (and helmet) that will work. The other is missing the cap on the water tank. Also have my rope gear for vertical work, but it has been a long time since I could fit into the harness we made then!
Interesting to hear that things are 'easier' now. We also never took that $500 HP scientific calculator down with us, waiting until we came out to convert our measurements into maps. I was typically point as I was the little guy that could go down the real tight holes and hold my lamp on the survey point for the reading. Took 2 hours to unstick one of the guys that thought he could take over point for me once.
Enjoy!
They offer products that will go through a laser or ink-jet printer.
For long-term storage (decades or more) the jury is out. I have survey notes from 15 years ago that are still usable. They are stored in an ordinary filing cabinet in my house - No special environmental efforts are taken. It seems reasonable that Rite-In-The-Rain paper will store at least as well as regular paper.
It is pricey, but if you really need waterproof then this is good stuff.
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