Hi,
I'm running a small business (http://www.microlinux.fr) offering various services around GNU/Linux, among which migrating folks from Windows to Linux. On server and desktops, I'm using CentOS exclusively. I know, Fedora would be more suitable, but I like the solidity of CentOS, and I can always build the odd missing bits myself from Fedora SRPMS. My heavily customized CentOS-based desktop is very solid and production-proof (in use in all the public libraries around here).
One request that I got more often lately is Google Picasa. I vaguely remember having downloaded and installed it once. As far as I know, it's a closed-source Windows app that comes with a WINE emulation layer. Not exactly the open source spirit.
As far as I'm concerned, I manage all my photos with some very basic tools: GThumb, Nautilus, GIMP, and that's it.
Are there some tasks one performs with Picasa that one can't perform with these native programs? Or is there some other well-made photo management software that you can recommend as a replacement for Picasa?
Cheers,
Niki Kovacs
Niki Kovacs wrote:
Are there some tasks one performs with Picasa that one can't perform with these native programs? Or is there some other well-made photo management software that you can recommend as a replacement for Picasa?
f-spot http://f-spot.org/Main_Page is rather nice, but needs mono and a halfways current Gnome. And then there is digikam (IIRC) in kde.
And yes, those programs (as picasa) do a rather good job of *managing* pictures, which isn't too easy to do with g-thumb and other programs like that.
Ralph
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Niki Kovacs wrote:
Are there some tasks one performs with Picasa that one can't perform with these native programs? Or is there some other well-made photo management software that you can recommend as a replacement for Picasa?
f-spot http://f-spot.org/Main_Page is rather nice, but needs mono and a halfways current Gnome. And then there is digikam (IIRC) in kde.
Actually you should be able to build f-spot with the mono and gtk-sharp2 stuff which is in the centos extras repository:
http://f-spot.org/How_To_Build_from_Release
Cheers,
Ralph
Niki Kovacs wrote:
Are there some tasks one performs with Picasa that one can't perform with these native programs?
Yes and no. Picasa binds together several functions that would otherwise require several different programs and that might confuse dumbusers. For example, you can bacup of your photos directly with Picasa by writing them on CD/DVD, make web galleries, make gift CD/DVD-s, make easily basic photo editing (cropping, redeye, balance).
Or is there some other well-made photo management software that you can recommend as a replacement for Picasa?
Haven't met yet. Google makes quite unique apps.
Niki Kovacs wrote:
Are there some tasks one performs with Picasa that one can't perform with these native programs? Or is there some other well-made photo management software that you can recommend as a replacement for Picasa?
Picasa makes managing webalbums on http://picasa.google.com/ really really easy. thats its main function. everything else is icing.
John R Pierce a écrit :
Picasa makes managing webalbums on http://picasa.google.com/ really really easy. thats its main function. everything else is icing.
Looks like peeking at other apps makes me discover the ones I've got. I just fiddled around with GThumb and discovered a truly great web album utility.
Guess I'll try and persuade my clients to rather go for the 100% GNU/Linux solution: GThumb + GIMP.
I'm rather tools-philosophy oriented. When teaching new users, I try to make them understand the importance of that. It's like not buying a TV that has also a VCR and a washing machine included.
Thanks everybody for your contributions!
Niki
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Niki Kovacs contact@kikinovak.net wrote:
John R Pierce a écrit :
Picasa makes managing webalbums on http://picasa.google.com/ really really easy. thats its main function. everything else is icing.
Looks like peeking at other apps makes me discover the ones I've got. I just fiddled around with GThumb and discovered a truly great web album utility.
Guess I'll try and persuade my clients to rather go for the 100% GNU/Linux solution: GThumb + GIMP.
The GIMP probably is going to require a very *long* learning curve. It has the power of Adobe Photoshop and may not be something casual users are going to want to take the time to learn. I like GThumb and I use it most of the time for simple things. My wife has tried a bunch of applications and she likes Picasa and that's what she uses now. As I recall, on Linux, Picasa does install with a slimmed down version of WINE that Google supplies with it.
Lanny Marcus a écrit :
The GIMP probably is going to require a very *long* learning curve. It has the power of Adobe Photoshop and may not be something casual users are going to want to take the time to learn.
Admittedly. But more in the sense of learning a few very basic steps that everybody needs to know:
- photo redimensioning - slimming them down (bytewise) - turning a color photograph into black and white - some basic effects (one-click, included)
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Niki Kovacs contact@kikinovak.net wrote:
The GIMP probably is going to require a very *long* learning curve. It has the power of Adobe Photoshop and may not be something casual users are going to want to take the time to learn.
Admittedly. But more in the sense of learning a few very basic steps that everybody needs to know:
- photo redimensioning
- slimming them down (bytewise)
- turning a color photograph into black and white
- some basic effects (one-click, included)
I recommend taking a good look at Digicam. For the types of tasks listed above, its very good and fairly easy. It also supports bulk processing, tagging images, etc.
Its part image database and part image manipulator.
Mike
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Michael Semcheski mhsemcheski@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Niki Kovacs contact@kikinovak.net wrote:
The GIMP probably is going to require a very *long* learning curve. It has the power of Adobe Photoshop and may not be something casual users are going to want to take the time to learn.
Admittedly. But more in the sense of learning a few very basic steps that everybody needs to know:
- photo redimensioning
- slimming them down (bytewise)
- turning a color photograph into black and white
- some basic effects (one-click, included)
I recommend taking a good look at Digicam. For the types of tasks listed above, its very good and fairly easy. It also supports bulk processing, tagging images, etc.
Its part image database and part image manipulator.
Mike _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
don't forget ImageMagick which could be hosted localhost
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 11:41 +0200, Niki Kovacs wrote:
Hi,
I'm running a small business (http://www.microlinux.fr) offering various services around GNU/Linux, among which migrating folks from Windows to Linux. On server and desktops, I'm using CentOS exclusively. I know, Fedora would be more suitable, but I like the solidity of CentOS, and I can always build the odd missing bits myself from Fedora SRPMS.
I wouldn't count Fedora is suitable for anyone new to Linux. Heck, I wouldn't even recommend it to any one with high blood pressure. At all. :)
But, I do agree with rebuilding packages to CentOS from SRPMs. My life is a lot more settled and productive using and learning to use CentOS. My two cents. Ric
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 11:41 +0200, Niki Kovacs wrote:
One request that I got more often lately is Google Picasa. I vaguely remember having downloaded and installed it once. As far as I know, it's a closed-source Windows app that comes with a WINE emulation layer. Not exactly the open source spirit.
I just bounced into my Kubuntu install to check, as they have everything but the kitchen sink to dnload and install. Nada ...came up empty there. Looks like no hope for anything in binary form to install that is used in the wide Debian Universe. :( Ric
Ric Moore wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 11:41 +0200, Niki Kovacs wrote:
One request that I got more often lately is Google Picasa. I vaguely remember having downloaded and installed it once. As far as I know, it's a closed-source Windows app that comes with a WINE emulation layer. Not exactly the open source spirit.
I just bounced into my Kubuntu install to check, as they have everything but the kitchen sink to dnload and install. Nada ...came up empty there. Looks like no hope for anything in binary form to install that is used in the wide Debian Universe. :( Ric
http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ubuntu704.html http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/apt.html
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 14:32 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
Ric Moore wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 11:41 +0200, Niki Kovacs wrote:
One request that I got more often lately is Google Picasa. I vaguely remember having downloaded and installed it once. As far as I know, it's a closed-source Windows app that comes with a WINE emulation layer. Not exactly the open source spirit.
I just bounced into my Kubuntu install to check, as they have everything but the kitchen sink to dnload and install. Nada ...came up empty there. Looks like no hope for anything in binary form to install that is used in the wide Debian Universe. :( Ric
http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ubuntu704.html http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/apt.html
That worked like a charm. I am impressed that Google has this. Thanks! Ric
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On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 17:48 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 14:32 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
Ric Moore wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 11:41 +0200, Niki Kovacs wrote:
One request that I got more often lately is Google Picasa. I vaguely remember having downloaded and installed it once. As far as I know, it's a closed-source Windows app that comes with a WINE emulation layer. Not exactly the open source spirit.
I just bounced into my Kubuntu install to check, as they have everything but the kitchen sink to dnload and install. Nada ...came up empty there. Looks like no hope for anything in binary form to install that is used in the wide Debian Universe. :( Ric
http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ubuntu704.html http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/apt.html
That worked like a charm. I am impressed that Google has this. Thanks!
---- google is one of the biggest supporters of Linux, you shouldn't be surprised at all.
Craig
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 16:31 -0700, Craig White wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 17:48 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 14:32 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
Ric Moore wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 11:41 +0200, Niki Kovacs wrote:
One request that I got more often lately is Google Picasa. I vaguely remember having downloaded and installed it once. As far as I know, it's a closed-source Windows app that comes with a WINE emulation layer. Not exactly the open source spirit.
I just bounced into my Kubuntu install to check, as they have everything but the kitchen sink to dnload and install. Nada ...came up empty there. Looks like no hope for anything in binary form to install that is used in the wide Debian Universe. :( Ric
http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ubuntu704.html http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/apt.html
That worked like a charm. I am impressed that Google has this. Thanks!
google is one of the biggest supporters of Linux, you shouldn't be surprised at all.
No, I wrote impressed. I didn't know that Picasa was a google thing. I used it before, when I had a static IP and website. I just never put it into my head that it was Google's. :) Ric
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 20:58 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 16:31 -0700, Craig White wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 17:48 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 14:32 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
Ric Moore wrote:
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 11:41 +0200, Niki Kovacs wrote:
One request that I got more often lately is Google Picasa. I vaguely remember having downloaded and installed it once. As far as I know, it's a closed-source Windows app that comes with a WINE emulation layer. Not exactly the open source spirit.
I just bounced into my Kubuntu install to check, as they have everything but the kitchen sink to dnload and install. Nada ...came up empty there. Looks like no hope for anything in binary form to install that is used in the wide Debian Universe. :( Ric
http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ubuntu704.html http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/apt.html
That worked like a charm. I am impressed that Google has this. Thanks!
google is one of the biggest supporters of Linux, you shouldn't be surprised at all.
No, I wrote impressed. I didn't know that Picasa was a google thing. I used it before, when I had a static IP and website. I just never put it into my head that it was Google's. :) Ric
---- as far as I know, the only way to get Picasa is to download it from Google
Craig
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Craig White craigwhite@azapple.com wrote:
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 20:58 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
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> One request that I got more often lately is Google Picasa. I vaguely > remember having downloaded and installed it once. As far as I know, it's > a closed-source Windows app that comes with a WINE emulation layer. Not > exactly the open source spirit.
<snip>
http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ubuntu704.html http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/apt.html
That worked like a charm. I am impressed that Google has this. Thanks!
google is one of the biggest supporters of Linux, you shouldn't be surprised at all.
<snip>
as far as I know, the only way to get Picasa is to download it from Google
I can't remember if I got Picasa with yum from the Google Repository, or somewhere else on their web site. This is from /etc/yum.repos.d/google.repo/
[google] name=Google - $basearch baseurl=http://dl.google.com/linux/rpm/stable/$basearch enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 priority=20
Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:41 AM, Niki Kovacs contact@kikinovak.net wrote: <snip>
One request that I got more often lately is Google Picasa. I vaguely remember having downloaded and installed it once. As far as I know, it's a closed-source Windows app that comes with a WINE emulation layer. Not exactly the open source spirit.
As far as I'm concerned, I manage all my photos with some very basic tools: GThumb, Nautilus, GIMP, and that's it.
Are there some tasks one performs with Picasa that one can't perform with these native programs? Or is there some other well-made photo management software that you can recommend as a replacement for Picasa?
A follow on to my previous responses, regarding Google's Picasa for Linux. My wife has been using M$ Windows recently. I asked her to help me with some photos, on my box, using Picasa. She had *NO* idea she was using Picasa on Linux, until I asked her if there were any differences, between the application she uses on Windows, and the one on Linux. She thought she was using Picasa on Windows, until I pointed out that it was running on Linux.
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