Dear All I want to install win xp on my centos machine . Can you please let me know how can I reformat a partition to ntfs? Thank you
With the Windows XP CD. Do a google search on how to install Windows, or contact Microsoft if you don't know.
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:11 AM, hadi motamedi motamedi24@gmail.com wrote:
Dear All I want to install win xp on my centos machine . Can you please let me know how can I reformat a partition to ntfs? Thank you
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:14, Rudi Ahlers Rudi@softdux.com wrote:
With the Windows XP CD. Do a google search on how to install Windows, or contact Microsoft if you don't know.
Excellent respond! Love it :)
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:11 AM, hadi motamedi motamedi24@gmail.com wrote:
Dear All I want to install win xp on my centos machine . Can you please let me know how can I reformat a partition to ntfs? Thank you
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:11 AM, hadi motamedi motamedi24@gmail.com wrote:
Dear All I want to install win xp on my centos machine . Can you please let me know how can I reformat a partition to ntfs? Thank you
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 11:14:32AM +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
With the Windows XP CD. Do a google search on how to install Windows, or contact Microsoft if you don't know.
I believe that's incorrect. One often first needs to boot into Linux and use fdisk to remove or reformat (in fat32 or ntfs, if possible).
At least some Windows CDs simply won't see a Linux partition and will say there is no available disk.
However, unlike Linux, MS tends to document things very well, at least from the sysadmin's viewpoint. (Programmers tell me the opposite is the case in programming documentation). Searching the MS knowledge base using terms like reformat Linux partition should give you a result where they walk you through it.
On 2 August 2010 11:14, Scott Robbins scottro@nyc.rr.com wrote:
I believe that's incorrect. One often first needs to boot into Linux and use fdisk to remove or reformat (in fat32 or ntfs, if possible).
Have you actually installed Windows? The installer will happily delete any partition, even if it does not recognise it, and recreate it as NTFS/FAT.
Ben
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 12:56:14PM +0100, Benjamin Donnachie wrote:
On 2 August 2010 11:14, Scott Robbins scottro@nyc.rr.com wrote:
I believe that's incorrect. One often first needs to boot into Linux and use fdisk to remove or reformat (in fat32 or ntfs, if possible).
Have you actually installed Windows? The installer will happily delete any partition, even if it does not recognise it, and recreate it as NTFS/FAT.
Yuppers, and run into that problem. IIRC, it usually happens with some older OEM disks. Or, it might be pre SP2, or perhaps pre SP3.
I see that MS does give instructions for using Linux fdisk--whether it's still an existing issue or not, I don't know.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314458/EN-US
On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Scott Robbins wrote:
To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: Scott Robbins scottro@nyc.rr.com Subject: Re: [CentOS] how to reformat a partition to ntfs?
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 12:56:14PM +0100, Benjamin Donnachie wrote:
On 2 August 2010 11:14, Scott Robbins scottro@nyc.rr.com wrote:
I believe that's incorrect. One often first needs to boot into Linux and use fdisk to remove or reformat (in fat32 or ntfs, if possible).
Have you actually installed Windows? The installer will happily delete any partition, even if it does not recognise it, and recreate it as NTFS/FAT.
Yuppers, and run into that problem. IIRC, it usually happens with some older OEM disks. Or, it might be pre SP2, or perhaps pre SP3.
I see that MS does give instructions for using Linux fdisk--whether it's still an existing issue or not, I don't know.
I set my partitions up using the Gparted live CD.
http://gparted.sourceforge.net/
HTH
Keith Roberts
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Bobby bobby@d4business.com wrote:
On Monday, August 02, 2010 05:11:25 am hadi motamedi wrote:
Dear All I want to install win xp on my centos machine . Can you please let me
know
how can I reformat a partition to ntfs? Thank you
Look at man mkfs.ntfs
That will get you closer.
--
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Thank you very much for your reply. I did it through win server edition.
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 05:23:38AM -0400, Bobby wrote:
On Monday, August 02, 2010 05:11:25 am hadi motamedi wrote:
Dear All I want to install win xp on my centos machine . Can you please let me know how can I reformat a partition to ntfs? Thank you
Look at man mkfs.ntfs
That will get you closer.
Please stop spoonfeeding this leech.
Hadi has never, as in not one single time, done a bit of research before he's posted here expecting us to do his job or classwork or whatever for him.
Rudi had the right of it; make him do something *on his own*.
John
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:11 AM, hadi motamedi motamedi24@gmail.com wrote:
Dear All I want to install win xp on my centos machine .
Do you have any OS X questions, too? Or general questions about Ubuntu? Or Life, the world and everything?
Could you please start asking questions that show that you have done at least a *little* bit of preliminary research? Or do your asking somewhere else? Just to let you know: I am thinking about removing your access to this list, as people have started to complain about you. See this as some sort of last warning.
Regards,
Ralph
hadi motamedi a écrit :
Dear All I want to install win xp on my centos machine . Can you please let me know how can I reformat a partition to ntfs?
1) Insert CentOS install CD until you come to the first screen.
2) Open virtual console : Alt+F2
3) # shred -vzn 65536 /dev/hda
4) Watch messages scroll by. Wait until it's finished (important), then post here to tell us the results.
Good luck,
Niki Kovacs
Niki Kovacs wrote:
hadi motamedi a écrit :
Dear All I want to install win xp on my centos machine . Can you please let me know how can I reformat a partition to ntfs?
Insert CentOS install CD until you come to the first screen.
Open virtual console : Alt+F2
# shred -vzn 65536 /dev/hda
Watch messages scroll by. Wait until it's finished (important), then
post here to tell us the results.
Mean!
mark
-- Why voice computing will never be big: the just fired employee who is being walked through the cube farm who yells, "start;run; format c:, yes!yes!yes!"
On 8/3/2010 11:05 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Niki Kovacs wrote:
hadi motamedi a écrit :
Dear All I want to install win xp on my centos machine . Can you please let me know how can I reformat a partition to ntfs?
Insert CentOS install CD until you come to the first screen.
Open virtual console : Alt+F2
# shred -vzn 65536 /dev/hda
Watch messages scroll by. Wait until it's finished (important), then
post here to tell us the results.
Mean!
And particularly useful to all the other people who follow instructions to use google search to find procedures.
Greetings,
On 8/3/10, Les Mikesell lesmikesell@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/3/2010 11:05 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Niki Kovacs wrote:
hadi motamedi a écrit :
Dear All I want to install win xp on my centos machine . Can you please let me know how can I reformat a partition to ntfs?
Insert CentOS install CD until you come to the first screen.
Open virtual console : Alt+F2
# shred -vzn 65536 /dev/hda
Watch messages scroll by. Wait until it's finished (important), then
post here to tell us the results.
Mean!
And particularly useful to all the other people who follow instructions to use google search to find procedures.
Ondeed, considering the OP's past questions. y'know Middle Easterners come with such questions all too frequently. Been there for about 6 years and I guess Les was more than charitable with his kind donation of such a wonderfully useful command ;)
Regards,
Rajagopal
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 20:19, Rajagopal Swaminathan raju.rajsand@gmail.com wrote:
Ondeed, considering the OP's past questions. y'know Middle Easterners come with such questions all too frequently. Been there for about 6 years and I guess Les was more than charitable with his kind donation of such a wonderfully useful command ;)
I'm Middle Eastern and I subscribe to the list to search it, not to ask redundant questions. I'm still a noob and I did recently ask a question that I could not google, but your generalization is a bit broad.
I should also note that Middle Easterners may likely subscribe more to the "help your neighbour" philosophy than the "dog eat dog" philosophy, which means that we might feel freer to ask a voluntary community such as this one than might a Westerner. That's a cultural difference, not Hadi being rude. Simple culture clash. Don't be so quick to judge him.
Dotan you haven't put up with his inane queries that often contradict previous ones always with lacking information for nearly a year. I went through all his posts yesterday out if curiosity and there was indeed not one bit of research and usually lacking information for that which us trying to be accomplished. Several look like he copy pasted straight out of a helpdesk query. The responders to the list have generally got fed up if doing his job for him over the last year.
If he'll pay an invoice I'll spend my time helping him further but only then ;-)
James
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On 4 Aug 2010 10:57, "Dotan Cohen" dotancohen@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 20:19, Rajagopal Swaminathan raju.rajsand@gmail.com wrote:
Ondeed, considering the OP's past questions. y'know Middle Easterners come with such questions all too frequently. Been there for about 6 years and I guess Les was more than charitable with his kind donation of such a wonderfully useful command ;)
I'm Middle Eastern and I subscribe to the list to search it, not to ask redundant questions. I'm still a noob and I did recently ask a question that I could not google, but your generalization is a bit broad.
I should also note that Middle Easterners may likely subscribe more to the "help your neighbour" philosophy than the "dog eat dog" philosophy, which means that we might feel freer to ask a voluntary community such as this one than might a Westerner. That's a cultural difference, not Hadi being rude. Simple culture clash. Don't be so quick to judge him.
-- Dotan Cohen
http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 13:33, James Hogarth james.hogarth@gmail.com wrote:
Dotan you haven't put up with his inane queries that often contradict previous ones always with lacking information for nearly a year. I went through all his posts yesterday out if curiosity and there was indeed not one bit of research and usually lacking information for that which us trying to be accomplished. Several look like he copy pasted straight out of a helpdesk query. The responders to the list have generally got fed up if doing his job for him over the last year.
If he'll pay an invoice I'll spend my time helping him further but only then ;-)
James
You are right, I am not familiar with the man in question so he may have a history. But I would still be careful with generalizations that all Middle Easterners may have such a quality.
Anyway, back to lurking mode...
On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 12:56:47PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I'm Middle Eastern and I subscribe to the list to search it, not to ask redundant questions. I'm still a noob and I did recently ask a question that I could not google, but your generalization is a bit broad.
I should also note that Middle Easterners may likely subscribe more to the "help your neighbour" philosophy than the "dog eat dog" philosophy, which means that we might feel freer to ask a voluntary community such as this one than might a Westerner. That's a cultural difference, not Hadi being rude. Simple culture clash. Don't be so quick to judge him.
Yes, the initial comment about Middle Eastern people was "a bit broad." Apologies that anyone would say that here.
So is the notion that "help your neighbor" is more Middle Eastern and "dog eat dog" more, what, American? The Middle East currently has Al Qaeda, Hizbolla, Hamas, the Taliban, the IDF ... all embracing a philosophy for which "dog eat cog" would be too kind a label. I'm sure from some perspectives the same thing can be said of US and NATO forces in the area.
On the other hand the free, open software community came out of the more free and open societies of the West, and a tradition of neighborly sharing that goes back to barn raisings and village greens and a whole bunch of customs which aren't "dog eat dog" at all.
The problem with Hadi isn't cultural. He's a troll, posting to many lists at once questions that he's made up to annoy people - he can't possibly need to install a Red Hat partition on CentOS, Debian and Ubuntu all at once. We have Western trolls too. The trick is not to respond to them.
Best regards, Whit
Whit Blauvelt a écrit :
So is the notion that "help your neighbor" is more Middle Eastern and "dog eat dog" more, what, American? The Middle East currently has Al Qaeda, Hizbolla, Hamas, the Taliban, the IDF ... all embracing a philosophy for which "dog eat cog" would be too kind a label. I'm sure from some perspectives the same thing can be said of US and NATO forces in the area.
I'm Austrian and I live in a small village in South France. I'm on excellent terms with my neighbour, who comes from a small village in Morocco. Sometimes, we help each other out to borrow salt, milk, flour, pepper or some other ingredient we forgot to buy in town, twelve kilometers away.
I've read through a few messages of Mr Hadi Motamedi, and his attitude seems to be more like: hey, man, can you please come over to my flat and cook my dinner?
Cheers,
Niki
On 8/4/2010 7:20 AM, Niki Kovacs wrote:
Whit Blauvelt a écrit :
So is the notion that "help your neighbor" is more Middle Eastern and "dog eat dog" more, what, American? The Middle East currently has Al Qaeda, Hizbolla, Hamas, the Taliban, the IDF ... all embracing a philosophy for which "dog eat cog" would be too kind a label. I'm sure from some perspectives the same thing can be said of US and NATO forces in the area.
I'm Austrian and I live in a small village in South France. I'm on excellent terms with my neighbour, who comes from a small village in Morocco. Sometimes, we help each other out to borrow salt, milk, flour, pepper or some other ingredient we forgot to buy in town, twelve kilometers away.
I've read through a few messages of Mr Hadi Motamedi, and his attitude seems to be more like: hey, man, can you please come over to my flat and cook my dinner?
Aren't we all pretty comfortable with using thousands of man-hours of other people's work for free? And, his posts are a tiny percentage of this thread and I can't see where anyone else has added much useful content either, nor do I see much point in bringing up ethnicity.
On Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:57:58 am Les Mikesell wrote:
Aren't we all pretty comfortable with using thousands of man-hours of other people's work for free? And, his posts are a tiny percentage of this thread and I can't see where anyone else has added much useful content either, nor do I see much point in bringing up ethnicity.
I feel this modified thread is valid in as so far as evaluating who should be helped.
Generally I believe that one is as valuable as one helps his fellow man. At the same time helping someone who's not Willing to help himself is not good for anyone. And I'd rather err on the safe side.
Technical subjects can often put people to sleep due to lack of understanding which results in fumbling and idiotic questions. To remotely label someone troll or whatever, Correctly, is not easy.
Asking how to run a command even though there are man pages, web documents, books etc, does not in my mind make it less valid question, due to the "mind cloud" one can get engulfed in. It is far to easy to decide that people can easily find an answer themselves if they try.
I don't often follow threads as I'm simply to busy. But every now and then I have a few seconds and if I see a question I can answer, I'll do it.
Someone went as far as sending me an offline email saying that I should not help him. Again I'd rather err on giving too much help than too little. Maybe he's right in the assessment, I don't know.
Les Mikesell wrote:
On 8/4/2010 7:20 AM, Niki Kovacs wrote:
Whit Blauvelt a écrit :
So is the notion that "help your neighbor" is more Middle Eastern and "dog eat dog" more, what, American? The Middle East currently has Al
Qaeda,
Hizbolla, Hamas, the Taliban, the IDF ... all embracing a philosophy for which "dog eat cog" would be too kind a label. I'm sure from some perspectives the same thing can be said of US and NATO forces in the area.
I'm Austrian and I live in a small village in South France. I'm on excellent terms with my neighbour, who comes from a small village in Morocco. Sometimes, we help each other out to borrow salt, milk, flour, pepper or some other ingredient we forgot to buy in town, twelve kilometers away.
I've read through a few messages of Mr Hadi Motamedi, and his attitude seems to be more like: hey, man, can you please come over to my flat and cook my dinner?
Aren't we all pretty comfortable with using thousands of man-hours of other people's work for free? And, his posts are a tiny percentage of this thread and I can't see where anyone else has added much useful content either, nor do I see much point in bringing up ethnicity.
I agree that where he's from is irrelevant - we've seen the same of Indians, and French, I think... and more than enough lazy American idiots, as well.
However, he is, indeed, pulling what I referred to in my proposed FAQ as "asking us to do his job for him". And, for that matter, if he actually *has* RHEL, he's presumably paid for it, and it's his *job*, for which he is presubably getting paid, and he wants us to do it for free.
mark
mark
the FAQ suff is a good idea...
in fact, when people singup, they should have to agree to list rules or be pointed to them on signup.
i wonder though, seriously, does the "teach a man to fish" principle really apply?
ie LMGTFY type stuff or ???
or cluesticks?
;->
as far as lazy, it is hard to find motivated people that want to work/participate. they just want paychecks.
- rh
However, he is, indeed, pulling what I referred to in my proposed FAQ as "asking us to do his job for him". And, for that matter, if he actually *has* RHEL, he's presumably paid for it, and it's his *job*, for which he is presubably getting paid, and he wants us to do it for free.
mark
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 07:49:36AM -0700, R-Elists wrote:
mark
the FAQ suff is a good idea...
in fact, when people singup, they should have to agree to list rules or be pointed to them on signup.
I co-moderate an ancient beginners' list on yahoo--we have something like that, but it's almost useless. They say they read it, they even have to type something halfway intelligent to join the list, but really don't seem to have actually read the FAQ.
Scott Robbins wrote:
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 07:49:36AM -0700, R-Elists wrote:
mark
the FAQ suff is a good idea...
in fact, when people singup, they should have to agree to list rules or be pointed to them on signup.
I co-moderate an ancient beginners' list on yahoo--we have something like that, but it's almost useless. They say they read it, they even have to type something halfway intelligent to join the list, but really don't seem to have actually read the FAQ.
Ah, but then, instead of slamming them, we can just deluge them with the FAQ....
mark
On 8/5/2010 10:54 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
I co-moderate an ancient beginners' list on yahoo--we have something like that, but it's almost useless. They say they read it, they even have to type something halfway intelligent to join the list, but really don't seem to have actually read the FAQ.
Ah, but then, instead of slamming them, we can just deluge them with the FAQ....
But what's the point? When you give away good, free stuff, people are naturally going to ask for more. The part I have trouble understanding is that while it seems perfectly acceptable to be dumb about most coding languages and ask for a canned routine to do something you are too lazy to write for yourself, the same does not apply to shell commands even though there is not much inherent difference in complexity. Is it just that coders are more willing to share their work than administrators even in cases where it is equally reusable?
the point is enforcement somehow...
why not require a small yearly donation for access to the list ???
12 bucks a year? or more ?
donations cannot be taken back yet lusers can be moderated or terminated
and to come back, they donate again
- rh
But what's the point? When you give away good, free stuff, people are naturally going to ask for more. The part I have trouble understanding is that while it seems perfectly acceptable to be dumb about most coding languages and ask for a canned routine to do something you are too lazy to write for yourself, the same does not apply to shell commands even though there is not much inherent difference in complexity. Is it just that coders are more willing to share their work than administrators even in cases where it is equally reusable?
-- Les Mikesell lesmikesell@gmail.com
R-Elists wrote:
the point is enforcement somehow...
why not require a small yearly donation for access to the list ???
12 bucks a year? or more ?
donations cannot be taken back yet lusers can be moderated or terminated and to come back, they donate again
The simple answer is moderation. If, say, 3, or 5 regular posters complain about someone, they get a canned warning message; the luser does it a second time, they get dropped from the list. They rejoin, and do it again, they get dropped and banned for at least six months.
mark
m.roth@5-cent.us wrote: <snip>
The simple answer is moderation. If, say, 3, or 5 regular posters complain about someone, they get a canned warning message; the luser does it a second time, they get dropped from the list. They rejoin, and do it again, they get dropped and banned for at least six months.
Forgot to add: moderation is important. Over on the redhalt general list, every so often a dozen or two of us will complain when someone sets their email to an out-of-office bounce, and we have days or weeks of the damn things in response to almost every post, but the RH moderator doesn't pay much attention to it. We've had some where it looked like someone had left that when they left the job, and it took *weeks* of complaints before the moderator paid attention and dropped them.
mark
well taken
i think centos should make manatory donation for support list or a few of their lists...
revenue will do centos project/people good.
then moderate
- rh
The simple answer is moderation. If, say, 3, or 5 regular posters complain about someone, they get a canned warning message; the luser does it a second time, they get dropped from the list. They rejoin, and do it again, they get dropped and banned for at least six months.
mark
On 8/5/2010 12:31 PM, R-Elists wrote:
well taken
i think centos should make manatory donation for support list or a few of their lists...
What's a support list and how does it relate to CentOS where every request for change is countered with "our policy is to be bug-for-bug compatible with upstream"? I thought this was the CentOS _users_ list.
revenue will do centos project/people good.
I don't disagree with that, but I don't see how it relates to users answering other users' questions.
On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 10:31 -0700, R-Elists wrote:
well taken
i think centos should make manatory donation for support list or a few of their lists...
Ahh ok so you want mind paying a fee to join my list and everybody elses?
You had hell got to be crazy. Is not Open Source to be free?
revenue will do centos project/people good.
It may but that needs working on I think.
then moderate
- rh
John
no, i probably would join your list because it might be straight up doody.
right? eh? ;-)
open source doesnt mean free tech support to triple portion idiot morons on an email list
present company excluded, of course ;-)
- rh
Ahh ok so you want mind paying a fee to join my list and everybody elses?
You had hell got to be crazy. Is not Open Source to be free?
John
On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 13:14 -0700, R-Elists wrote:
no, i probably would join your list because it might be straight up doody.
Ok elaborate for me some more on this so I can get a complete idea in English.
Do you mean "would not" in place of would?
Do you mean to say it could be straight up shit? That it?
John
I only Speak English and Gullah and there is no such word as "doody". Maybe a "do'de'"
JohnS wrote:
On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 13:14 -0700, R-Elists wrote:
no, i probably would join your list because it might be straight up doody.
<snip>
Do you mean to say it could be straight up shit? That it?
I only Speak English and Gullah and there is no such word as "doody". Maybe a "do'de'"
No, it's an old colloquial euphamism.
mark
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 05:11:51PM -0400, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
JohnS wrote:
On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 13:14 -0700, R-Elists wrote:
no, i probably would join your list because it might be straight up doody.
<snip> > Do you mean to say it could be straight up shit? That it? > > I only Speak English and Gullah and there is no such word as "doody". > Maybe a "do'de'"
No, it's an old colloquial euphamism.
Hrrm, in the Northeast US, at least, common. Sometimes spelled doodie. Often used, by children in insults such as doodie-head. (Which reminds me of a rather funny scene in the old Fresh Prince show, where after being called snake, evil, and the like, Will is also called doodie head, which is what gets him angry. )
Anyway, yes, legitimate word, with various nuances.
Sigh, I don't believe I'm posting this, but oh well, I needed a three minute break.
Anyone wanna migrate an old drupal to a new one for me? :) (Kidding folks, just kidding--or perhaps trying to keep the thread on topic?)
On Thursday, August 05, 2010 05:26:12 pm Scott Robbins wrote:
Often used, by children in insults such as doodie-head.
Perhaps the phrase 'doodie thread' should be coined.
"Don't feed the trolls if you don't want a doodie thread." Dun G. Hill, author, in 'I feel a draught'
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 10:20:38AM -0700, R-Elists wrote:
the point is enforcement somehow...
Enforcement = suppression and suppression -> consequences not elimination of the issue.
why not require a small yearly donation for access to the list ???
12 bucks a year? or more ?
Not likely to make a difference and just likely to reduce the worth of the list as those who know quit bothering to subscribe.
////jerry
donations cannot be taken back yet lusers can be moderated or terminated
and to come back, they donate again
- rh
But what's the point? When you give away good, free stuff, people are naturally going to ask for more. The part I have trouble understanding is that while it seems perfectly acceptable to be dumb about most coding languages and ask for a canned routine to do something you are too lazy to write for yourself, the same does not apply to shell commands even though there is not much inherent difference in complexity. Is it just that coders are more willing to share their work than administrators even in cases where it is equally reusable?
-- Les Mikesell lesmikesell@gmail.com
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
The part I have trouble understanding is that while it seems perfectly acceptable to be dumb about most coding languages and ask for a canned routine to do something you are too lazy to write for yourself, the same does not apply to shell commands even though there is not much inherent difference in complexity. Is it just that coders are more willing to share their work than administrators even in cases where it is equally reusable?
The major difference I've seen in that sort of request is that coders tend to ask for help with a small subset of the overall task (a routine) while erstwhile admins tend to ask for help with the totality of the task.
When someone says, "I'm writing a shell script, and hereabouts I need $TOOL to do such and such," a good answer is usually forthcoming.
When someone says, "Tell me how to script this $PROJECT," the commmunity usually points the OP off to Google/Manual.
Mostly.
On 8/5/2010 12:25 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
The part I have trouble understanding is that while it seems perfectly acceptable to be dumb about most coding languages and ask for a canned routine to do something you are too lazy to write for yourself, the same does not apply to shell commands even though there is not much inherent difference in complexity. Is it just that coders are more willing to share their work than administrators even in cases where it is equally reusable?
The major difference I've seen in that sort of request is that coders tend to ask for help with a small subset of the overall task (a routine) while erstwhile admins tend to ask for help with the totality of the task.
When someone says, "I'm writing a shell script, and hereabouts I need $TOOL to do such and such," a good answer is usually forthcoming.
When someone says, "Tell me how to script this $PROJECT," the commmunity usually points the OP off to Google/Manual.
I don't think it is the nature of the requests that are different (although coders perhaps have to know more to even ask a reasonable question), just the responses. Coders seem much more likely to try to make their work available to others that haven't even asked while administrators pretend that everything they do is unique and not reusable - or they don't want it to be.
Les Mikesell wrote:
On 8/5/2010 12:25 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
The part I have trouble understanding is that while it seems perfectly acceptable to be dumb about most coding languages and ask for a canned routine to do something you are too lazy to write for yourself, the same does not apply to shell commands even though there is not much inherent difference in complexity. Is it just that coders are more willing to share their work than administrators even in cases where it is equally reusable?
The major difference I've seen in that sort of request is that coders tend to ask for help with a small subset of the overall task (a routine) while erstwhile admins tend to ask for help with the totality of the task.
When someone says, "I'm writing a shell script, and hereabouts I need $TOOL to do such and such," a good answer is usually forthcoming.
When someone says, "Tell me how to script this $PROJECT," the commmunity usually points the OP off to Google/Manual.
I don't think it is the nature of the requests that are different (although coders perhaps have to know more to even ask a reasonable question), just the responses. Coders seem much more likely to try to make their work available to others that haven't even asked while administrators pretend that everything they do is unique and not reusable - or they don't want it to be.
Mike, you seem to be misunderstanding - the lusers, like Hadi (sp?), are asking us to do their work for them, not help them to learn what they need to do it themselves.
mark
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 02:02:51PM -0400, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Mike, you seem to be misunderstanding - the lusers, like Hadi (sp?), are asking us to do their work for them, not help them to learn what they need to do it themselves.
It goes beyond that.
The issue that sparked this long thread was the *repeating* nature of the support leech; not an isolated incident. Most people understand the first time it is pointed out to them that looking around on their own to find resolutions to their problems before falling back to this, or other similar lists, is of mutual benefit to not only the list(s), but more importantly themselves as it permits them to be more self-sustaining and self-supporting.
Hadi had been asked, repeatedly, to at least make a minimal effort on his own; to date there has been *no* evidence of that happening. Not even once. So eventually enough becomes enough and people get snappish. And considering the audience of this list it's not remotely surprising that this is the case - many of us, I dare to say *most* of us, have learned to do our own research and not be as dependent upon others to support us. Why should this not be required of everyone?
The world is full of what seems an entire generation of people that possess an air of entitlement from those around them and expect people to instantly drop what they are doing and do their jobs / school assignment / etc for them. Their are entire linux distros that, sadly, compound this problem.
And, to be perfectly blunt about it, this is not helpful for anyone. We need more independent and self-supporting people in this world, not yet more consumers and leeches.
John
On 8/5/2010 1:17 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
Hadi had been asked, repeatedly, to at least make a minimal effort on his own; to date there has been *no* evidence of that happening.
So where would he have found an answer to the question that sparked this thread of non-answers: the one about installing a redhat version that didn't support USB on a USB disk?
Not even once.
So enlighten us - point us to where someone should go to find that answer.
The world is full of what seems an entire generation of people that possess an air of entitlement from those around them and expect people to instantly drop what they are doing and do their jobs / school assignment / etc for them.
Beg your pardon? Do you really drop things to answer list email? Ever?
Their areentire linux distros that, sadly, compound this problem.
Every incompatibility compounds the problem. It is designed in to every intentional difference in every system.
And, to be perfectly blunt about it, this is not helpful for anyone. We need more independent and self-supporting people in this world, not yet more consumers and leeches.
And you think you are going to get that by ranting about questions without even including a link?
Les Mikesell wrote:
On 8/5/2010 1:17 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
<snip>
The world is full of what seems an entire generation of people that possess an air of entitlement from those around them and expect people to instantly drop what they are doing and do their jobs / school assignment / etc for them.
Beg your pardon? Do you really drop things to answer list email? Ever?
<snip> Actually, yes, I have, esp. when it's something that I just had to fight recently, and see no need for someone else to fight the same problem.
mark
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 01:40:10PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
So where would he have found an answer to the question that sparked this thread of non-answers: the one about installing a redhat version that didn't support USB on a USB disk?
There seems to be a disconnect here, and for the life of me I can not fathom as to why that may be. I believe it has been made abundantly clear that Hadi is, and will most likely continue to be, a leech. The issue that started this is no different than any other that he has brought to this list.
You are free to think he did some work on his own, and you are free to think that the sun will rise in the west tomorrow; that does not make either true.
So enlighten us - point us to where someone should go to find that answer.
I am pretty sure that in a past post I alluded to google? And please spare me your past argument about it being difficult; I did not then, nor do I now, argue that. But with proper search criteria one can actually figure it out. And excuse me if that means that he, or others, have to do a little work because the "proper" answer may not be in the first result set google returns. You are, however, deluding yourself to think he bothered to do *any* such searching.
Beg your pardon? Do you really drop things to answer list email? Ever?
The list is not important enough for me to do so, no. But when I do bother to reply it means that I am not doing other things at the time, so effectively in the long run it pans out the same way. Nor does it change what I stated; people feel entitled for no explicable reason - sorry Les, I don't play that game.
Every incompatibility compounds the problem. It is designed in to every intentional difference in every system.
Um, ok?
And you think you are going to get that by ranting about questions without even including a link?
And you think that by my adding a link it will resolve the issue of people not doing their own research, and whom want that link in the first place? Disconnect? How is my adding a link addressing my comment of consumers and leeches? Perhaps I am just confused. *shrug*
In my eyes, and my experience, leeches are best addressed by being ignored so that they are *forced* to do the work on their own, or at least making the effort to try to do so. Sadly there are those on this list and in life that feel no hesitancy in spoon-feeding such leeches the information and continue the whole cycle.
I fear for the future when the people "in charge" are unable to stand on their own two feet to get the job done, because from where I stand that is exactly the road we are heading down.
Hell, even back on chinet (you remember chinet?) I was told to RTFM by Suess, jcs, piggy, and others. They were all happy to help me after I had done so and guess what? Due to that, and to others of the same mindset I am independent and able to resolve my own issues; the *vast* majority of people on this list are the same way.
We need to get back to that way of thinking.
Now, if you'll pardon me, I need to get back to actual work :)
John
On 8/5/2010 2:50 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
So where would he have found an answer to the question that sparked this thread of non-answers: the one about installing a redhat version that didn't support USB on a USB disk?
There seems to be a disconnect here, and for the life of me I can not fathom as to why that may be. I believe it has been made abundantly clear that Hadi is, and will most likely continue to be, a leech. The issue that started this is no different than any other that he has brought to this list.
You are free to think he did some work on his own, and you are free to think that the sun will rise in the west tomorrow; that does not make either true.
I guess I don't see how you get to the point of installing multiple linux distributions and run into a problem with one of them in one scenario without having done some of the work. i don't think he's just guessing that it will be a problem.
So enlighten us - point us to where someone should go to find that answer.
I am pretty sure that in a past post I alluded to google?
Yes, but knowing how to spell google is not going to solve this problem. You, of course are free to think otherwise, but that doesn't make it true.
You are, however, deluding yourself to think hebothered to do *any* such searching.
I'm thinking it doesn't matter, because searching won't find the answer.
Beg your pardon? Do you really drop things to answer list email? Ever?
The list is not important enough for me to do so, no. But when I do bother to reply it means that I am not doing other things at the time, so effectively in the long run it pans out the same way. Nor does it change what I stated; people feel entitled for no explicable reason - sorry Les, I don't play that game.
But you are playing a game. You don't have to reply to a message at all if you aren't going to give an answer.
In my eyes, and my experience, leeches are best addressed by being ignored so that they are *forced* to do the work on their own, or at least making the effort to try to do so.
Umm, OK, but...
Hell, even back on chinet (you remember chinet?)
Chinet is still alive and well, although in a bit different form. You should show up at one of the anniversary outings.
I was told toRTFM by Suess, jcs, piggy, and others.
But they would have told you which FM to R. No one here has done that yet. No place they could have sent you back then would have been as non-specific as google.
On 8/5/2010 1:02 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
I don't think it is the nature of the requests that are different (although coders perhaps have to know more to even ask a reasonable question), just the responses. Coders seem much more likely to try to make their work available to others that haven't even asked while administrators pretend that everything they do is unique and not reusable - or they don't want it to be.
Mike, you seem to be misunderstanding - the lusers, like Hadi (sp?), are asking us to do their work for them, not help them to learn what they need to do it themselves.
No, the part I don't understand is why you can't ignore any request where you are unwilling or unable to help. If everyone did, there would only be one or two messages on this thread instead of the current mess.
On 08/05/2010 11:23 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
No, the part I don't understand is why you can't ignore any request where you are unwilling or unable to help. If everyone did, there would only be one or two messages on this thread instead of the current mess.
+1
Benjamin Franz wrote:
On 08/05/2010 11:23 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
No, the part I don't understand is why you can't ignore any request where you are unwilling or unable to help. If everyone did, there would only be one or two messages on this thread instead of the current mess.
+1
The first job I did sysadmin work, a couple weeks after I started, my managers asked me if I'd be willing to pick up for a consultant rolling off, and I agreed. The next year, in addition to my ...late... wife, I was sleeping with Aeleen Frisch's Essential System Administration. The next year, when the division had grown from 4 teams to 27, and they brought in the corporate sysadmins to take the load off us, I was told there were exactly *two* teams whose servers looked right... and mine was one. The others ran the gamut to files all over, including in root, and everyone having the root password....
But I was willing to learn. I object to someone who isn't, coming in to mooch, and giving me at least as mch to wade through as this thread. Further, if we either ignored them, or did their jobs for them, we'd be inundated by folks who got a job they weren't qualified for, and aren't interested in learning how to do it, but just mooch off of others.
I'll do their job for me if they pay me. This isn't writing code, mostly, that they're asking for, but how to run and configure.
mark
On 8/5/2010 1:36 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Benjamin Franz wrote:
On 08/05/2010 11:23 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
No, the part I don't understand is why you can't ignore any request where you are unwilling or unable to help. If everyone did, there would only be one or two messages on this thread instead of the current mess.
+1
The first job I did sysadmin work, a couple weeks after I started, my managers asked me if I'd be willing to pick up for a consultant rolling off, and I agreed. The next year, in addition to my ...late... wife, I was sleeping with Aeleen Frisch's Essential System Administration. The next year, when the division had grown from 4 teams to 27, and they brought in the corporate sysadmins to take the load off us, I was told there were exactly *two* teams whose servers looked right... and mine was one. The others ran the gamut to files all over, including in root, and everyone having the root password....
But I was willing to learn. I object to someone who isn't, coming in to mooch, and giving me at least as mch to wade through as this thread. Further, if we either ignored them, or did their jobs for them, we'd be inundated by folks who got a job they weren't qualified for, and aren't interested in learning how to do it, but just mooch off of others.
I'll do their job for me if they pay me. This isn't writing code, mostly, that they're asking for, but how to run and configure.
I understand your not doing it. No one has demanded that you do it. But why continue to clutter the list with much more than the thing you are complaining about? Questions can just go unanswered here - mine sometimes do.
On Thu, August 5, 2010 14:23, Les Mikesell wrote:
No, the part I don't understand is why you can't ignore any request where you are unwilling or unable to help. If everyone did, there would only be one or two messages on this thread instead of the current mess.
Amen.
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
On 8/5/2010 12:25 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
The part I have trouble understanding is that while it seems perfectly acceptable to be dumb about most coding languages and ask for a canned routine to do something you are too lazy to write for yourself, the same does not apply to shell commands even though there is not much inherent difference in complexity. Is it just that coders are more willing to share their work than administrators even in cases where it is equally reusable?
The major difference I've seen in that sort of request is that coders tend to ask for help with a small subset of the overall task (a routine) while erstwhile admins tend to ask for help with the totality of the task.
When someone says, "I'm writing a shell script, and hereabouts I need $TOOL to do such and such," a good answer is usually forthcoming.
When someone says, "Tell me how to script this $PROJECT," the commmunity usually points the OP off to Google/Manual.
I don't think it is the nature of the requests that are different (although coders perhaps have to know more to even ask a reasonable question), just the responses. Coders seem much more likely to try to make their work available to others that haven't even asked while administrators pretend that everything they do is unique and not reusable - or they don't want it to be.
I guess I'm not convinced (though I'm really not trying to be stubborn or curmudgeonly :-).
I'll grant that in both cases the request is essentially the same: "Help me do this." When someone's "this" is their whole scripting project rather than a particular section of it, however, I guess I just roll my inner eye and delete the message. When someone has narrowed the question to a technological particular, I'm much more willing to assist.
I realize the only difference is the scope of the question. Am I more inclined to treat the latter questioner as a willing learner and the former like a layabout? Is it simply that the larger the scope, the more reluctant I am to understand and contribute? Hmm. Must navel-gaze on this...
At Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:11:27 -0700 (PDT) CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote:
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
On 8/5/2010 12:25 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
The part I have trouble understanding is that while it seems perfectly acceptable to be dumb about most coding languages and ask for a canned routine to do something you are too lazy to write for yourself, the same does not apply to shell commands even though there is not much inherent difference in complexity. Is it just that coders are more willing to share their work than administrators even in cases where it is equally reusable?
The major difference I've seen in that sort of request is that coders tend to ask for help with a small subset of the overall task (a routine) while erstwhile admins tend to ask for help with the totality of the task.
When someone says, "I'm writing a shell script, and hereabouts I need $TOOL to do such and such," a good answer is usually forthcoming.
When someone says, "Tell me how to script this $PROJECT," the commmunity usually points the OP off to Google/Manual.
I don't think it is the nature of the requests that are different (although coders perhaps have to know more to even ask a reasonable question), just the responses. Coders seem much more likely to try to make their work available to others that haven't even asked while administrators pretend that everything they do is unique and not reusable - or they don't want it to be.
I guess I'm not convinced (though I'm really not trying to be stubborn or curmudgeonly :-).
I'll grant that in both cases the request is essentially the same: "Help me do this." When someone's "this" is their whole scripting project rather than a particular section of it, however, I guess I just roll my inner eye and delete the message. When someone has narrowed the question to a technological particular, I'm much more willing to assist.
I realize the only difference is the scope of the question. Am I more inclined to treat the latter questioner as a willing learner and the former like a layabout? Is it simply that the larger the scope, the more reluctant I am to understand and contribute? Hmm. Must navel-gaze on this...
Note that often it is the case that the 'wider scope' questions are more vague and open ended (where the answer could be a whole book). Or maybe the question is just plain vague -- that is a kind of general non-specific question -- kind of like the 'ultimate' question in the Hitchhiker's Guide (answer: 42). And these vague, wide scope questions tend to suggest that the asker really does not know what to ask in the first place. And also suggests that the asker is not really interested in learning how to do whatever, but wants someone else to do the whole project and hand him/her the results on the perverbial 'silver platter'.
On 8/5/2010 11:51 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
When someone says, "I'm writing a shell script, and hereabouts I need $TOOL to do such and such," a good answer is usually forthcoming.
When someone says, "Tell me how to script this $PROJECT," the commmunity usually points the OP off to Google/Manual.
I don't think it is the nature of the requests that are different
I would guess that most sysadmin type scripts are under 100 LOC. I can't decide if the rare few KSLOC scripts push the median out to the low hundreds, or if the great number of short scripts drag that median down into the double digits.
I think a similar bell curve exists for programs/systems complex enough to require "coders" -- professional software developers -- but that the scale is magnified by at least 10, maybe 100. If I had to pick a value, I'd say the median software project has 10,000 SLOC. The range extends from "glorified shell script" up into the millions of lines.
The point is, a 20 line answer in each case is qualitatively different because it represents a different proportion of the task.
administrators pretend that everything they do is unique and not reusable - or they don't want it to be.
It's my experience that most short sysadmin type scripts on POSIXy systems are site-specific glue code. The generic parts are off in external programs or libraries that the scripts call.
So, us coders are happy to maintain tar(1) and grep(1) and dialog(1) and whatnot for you sysadmin types, but we're not likely to write a one-off script that ties all these together to make a custom home directory backup system for you.
On 8/5/2010 1:13 PM, Warren Young wrote:
When someone says, "I'm writing a shell script, and hereabouts I need $TOOL to do such and such," a good answer is usually forthcoming.
When someone says, "Tell me how to script this $PROJECT," the commmunity usually points the OP off to Google/Manual.
I don't think it is the nature of the requests that are different
I would guess that most sysadmin type scripts are under 100 LOC. I can't decide if the rare few KSLOC scripts push the median out to the low hundreds, or if the great number of short scripts drag that median down into the double digits.
I think a similar bell curve exists for programs/systems complex enough to require "coders" -- professional software developers -- but that the scale is magnified by at least 10, maybe 100. If I had to pick a value, I'd say the median software project has 10,000 SLOC. The range extends from "glorified shell script" up into the millions of lines.
Getting wildly philosophical here, but how much of those 10,000 SLOC are reused, or reusable, or should have been? How much could have been a few shell lines coordinating existing programs? How often to 10,000 SLOC projects fail and get thrown out?
The point is, a 20 line answer in each case is qualitatively different because it represents a different proportion of the task.
Not necessarily.
administrators pretend that everything they do is unique and not reusable - or they don't want it to be.
It's my experience that most short sysadmin type scripts on POSIXy systems are site-specific glue code. The generic parts are off in external programs or libraries that the scripts call.
As they should be. And most non-script programs should be re-using libraries for the bulk of their work. The hard part is knowing which one to use.
So, us coders are happy to maintain tar(1) and grep(1) and dialog(1) and whatnot for you sysadmin types, but we're not likely to write a one-off script that ties all these together to make a custom home directory backup system for you.
You are exaggerating the difference. Look, for example, at the first release of backuppc (before the ambitious re-write of rsync in perl), which was both a conceptually simple sysadm-ish perl script layered on top of existing tools and an elegant coding job at the same time, handing other administrators a usable application instead of a toolbox to write his own incompatible mess. Every administrator needs to do approximately the same things for every machine, although it is made a lot harder by the designed-in incompatibilities the coders put there.
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
To: centos@centos.org From: Les Mikesell lesmikesell@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CentOS] Dogs, trolls, and neighborly free/open source
On 8/5/2010 12:25 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
The part I have trouble understanding is that while it seems perfectly acceptable to be dumb about most coding languages and ask for a canned routine to do something you are too lazy to write for yourself, the same does not apply to shell commands even though there is not much inherent difference in complexity. Is it just that coders are more willing to share their work than administrators even in cases where it is equally reusable?
The major difference I've seen in that sort of request is that coders tend to ask for help with a small subset of the overall task (a routine) while erstwhile admins tend to ask for help with the totality of the task.
When someone says, "I'm writing a shell script, and hereabouts I need $TOOL to do such and such," a good answer is usually forthcoming.
When someone says, "Tell me how to script this $PROJECT," the commmunity usually points the OP off to Google/Manual.
I don't think it is the nature of the requests that are different (although coders perhaps have to know more to even ask a reasonable question), just the responses. Coders seem much more likely to try to make their work available to others that haven't even asked while administrators pretend that everything they do is unique and not reusable - or they don't want it to be.
What about a Centos newbies list. That way way they'll have to look for the answer amongst themselves. Once they have been approved on the newbie list, then allow them to post on this list?
Kind Regards,
Keith Roberts
When someone says, "I'm writing a shell script, and hereabouts I need $TOOL to do such and such," a good answer is usually forthcoming.
When someone says, "Tell me how to script this $PROJECT," the commmunity usually points the OP off to Google/Manual.
The difference is (as before intimated) between "open this jar" and "cook my meal", not between java/php/bash and C/C++.
Perhaps (gazes into crystal balls) the root is whether the admin who posts here used to be a scientist or coder, or an office-ape (who will need help finding the 'any' key through no fault of their own). Trolls and students who aren't administrators are a separate possibility. ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.Hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated**
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 11:49:07AM -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
have to type something halfway intelligent to join the list, but really don't seem to have actually read the FAQ.
No one reads FAQs. They're a relic of the old guard (what, read the FAQ and monitor a newsgroup for a week before joining in? Huh! What a bizarre notion! I need answers now!!!). I autopost a FAQ to a few newsgroups on a monthly basis and still no one ever reads it.
disagree, we read them all the time.
if we didnt, then we would be wasting time & money purchasing very hi tech and then wasting time and money not being able to use it or spinning wheels looking for docs etc.
i think the problem is more that rules are not enforced in many lists...
or nobody wants to be the one that enforces properly & gracefully yet be publically known.
and should only be direct posting...
nabble and other pseduo input interfaces should be blocked
-rh
No one reads FAQs. They're a relic of the old guard (what, read the FAQ and monitor a newsgroup for a week before joining in? Huh! What a bizarre notion! I need answers now!!!). I autopost a FAQ to a few newsgroups on a monthly basis and still no one ever reads it.
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rgds Stephen
R-Elists wrote:
Come on, did he need <satire><post></satire>?
#insert "old_guard.h"
huh? it was sincere
we are on your side bunky... :-)
insert foot in backside ;-)
lighten up homes
Hey, I worked long and hard to become a curmudgeon, and that was with a stirling example to follow....
mark "surly to bed, surly to rise...."
On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 07:47:34AM -0400, Whit Blauvelt wrote:
So is the notion that "help your neighbor" is more Middle Eastern and "dog eat dog" more, what, American? The Middle East currently has Al Qaeda,
Please, people, could you take this off-list?
Insert CentOS install CD until you come to the first screen.
Open virtual console : Alt+F2
# shred -vzn 65536 /dev/hda
Watch messages scroll by. Wait until it's finished (important),
then post here to tell us the results.
Mean!
And particularly useful to all the other people who follow instructions to use google search to find procedures.
Per shread's manual pages, this tends to fail for ext3 and other log/journaled file systems. Step 3 should instead be "badblocks -f -p 10 -w /dev/hda". The drive is now ready for the new system to be installed.
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- Insert CentOS install CD until you come to the first screen.
- Open virtual console : Alt+F2
- # shred -vzn 65536 /dev/hda
- Watch messages scroll by. Wait until it's finished (important),
then post here to tell us the results.
Mean!
And particularly useful to all the other people who follow instructions to use google search to find procedures.
Per shread's manual pages, this tends to fail for ext3 and other log/journaled file systems. Step 3 should instead be "badblocks -f -p 10 -w /dev/hda". The drive is now ready for the new system to be installed. mkfs.ntfs /dev/dha should suffice as well, and is much quicker.
Maybe a quick dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 before, to clean the MBR...?
JD
- # shred -vzn 65536 /dev/hda
For future reference, man shred:
NAME shred - overwrite a file to hide its contents, and optionally delete it
SYNOPSIS shred [OPTIONS] FILE [...]
DESCRIPTION Overwrite the specified FILE(s) repeatedly, in order to make it harder for even very expensive hardware probing to recover the data.
Mathieu Baudier wrote:
- # shred -vzn 65536 /dev/hda
For future reference, man shred:
NAME shred - overwrite a file to hide its contents, and optionally delete it
SYNOPSIS shred [OPTIONS] FILE [...]
DESCRIPTION Overwrite the specified FILE(s) repeatedly, in order to make it harder for even very expensive hardware probing to recover the data.
And doing that to /dev/hda would destroy everything on the whole drive, not just one partition.
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