I am searching for a crm solution for small business and private use. Can't find anything within the CentOS 4.2. Most important for me are: address book, comments and document organization.
Any comments or recommendations appreciated.
kai
On 1/3/06, Kai Sandsengen centos.newsgroup@sandsengen.com wrote:
I am searching for a crm solution for small business and private use. Can't find anything within the CentOS 4.2. Most important for me are: address book, comments and document organization.
Any comments or recommendations appreciated.
You're probably not going to find anything included in CentOS by default. CiviCRM which runs on Drupal can do this:
http://drupal.org/handbook/modules/civicrm
It takes about a half hour to setup and has a ton of modules that can get other functionality you may want.
Greg
On 1/3/06, Greg Knaddison greg.knaddison@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/3/06, Kai Sandsengen centos.newsgroup@sandsengen.com wrote:
I am searching for a crm solution for small business and private use. Can't find anything within the CentOS 4.2. Most important for me are: address book, comments and document organization.
Any comments or recommendations appreciated.
You're probably not going to find anything included in CentOS by default. CiviCRM which runs on Drupal can do this:
http://drupal.org/handbook/modules/civicrm
It takes about a half hour to setup and has a ton of modules that can get other functionality you may want.
Or try SugarCRM, which is meant more for businesses than CiviCRM is:
they have a free, open source version at
We use www.vtiger.com works great on CentOS v4.2
BRW
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Greg Knaddison Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 6:08 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] crm solution
On 1/3/06, Kai Sandsengen centos.newsgroup@sandsengen.com wrote:
I am searching for a crm solution for small business and private use. Can't find anything within the CentOS 4.2. Most important for me are: address book, comments and document organization.
Any comments or recommendations appreciated.
You're probably not going to find anything included in CentOS by default. CiviCRM which runs on Drupal can do this:
http://drupal.org/handbook/modules/civicrm
It takes about a half hour to setup and has a ton of modules that can get other functionality you may want.
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On 1/3/06, Kai Sandsengen centos.newsgroup@sandsengen.com wrote:
I am searching for a crm solution for small business and private use. Can't find anything within the CentOS 4.2. Most important for me are: address book, comments and document organization.
Check out vtiger: http://www.vtiger.com/
It's a fork of sugarCRM.
Grant McChesney wrote:
Check out vtiger: http://www.vtiger.com/
It's a fork of sugarCRM.
Interesting -- we use Sugar, I'm interested in why this project forked off. Do you happen to know the history behind it?
-te
On 1/3/06, Troy Engel tengel@fluid.com wrote:
Interesting -- we use Sugar, I'm interested in why this project forked off. Do you happen to know the history behind it?
There's a good summary here:
http://voip-blog.tmcnet.com/telecom-crm/archives/2005/07/22/first-coffee-for...
Grant McChesney wrote:
There's a good summary here:
http://voip-blog.tmcnet.com/telecom-crm/archives/2005/07/22/first-coffee-for...
Thanks -- I followed the trail a little bit more, and that article is actually a little non-informative about the hubjub that went on. It looks to be a tangled mess of morals involved, and I'm not entirely sure vTiger or Sugar is right.
- vtiger is based on v1.0 of Sugar (so by now they're a lot different)
- vtiger decided to fork before trying to contribute anything, removed all copyrights and rebranded work that wasn't theirs as their own code. The also consulted a lawyer regarding this beforehand, and within three hours after being contacted by Sugar they sent a letter to ESR saying they were right and such (which legally they may have been). Many seem to think this was orchestrated/premeditated and not in the spirit of Open Source.
I'm not entirely sure that I'd want to use or stand behind vTiger, not unless some more in-depth research into their morals was conducted. Not that I'm at all a Sugar advocate, but something sure doesn't smell too kosher here, you know?
Interesting...thanks for bringing this up.
-te
On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 10:42 -0800, Troy Engel wrote:
Grant McChesney wrote:
There's a good summary here:
http://voip-blog.tmcnet.com/telecom-crm/archives/2005/07/22/first-coffee-for...
Thanks -- I followed the trail a little bit more, and that article is actually a little non-informative about the hubjub that went on. It looks to be a tangled mess of morals involved, and I'm not entirely sure vTiger or Sugar is right.
vtiger is based on v1.0 of Sugar (so by now they're a lot different)
vtiger decided to fork before trying to contribute anything, removed
all copyrights and rebranded work that wasn't theirs as their own code. The also consulted a lawyer regarding this beforehand, and within three hours after being contacted by Sugar they sent a letter to ESR saying they were right and such (which legally they may have been). Many seem to think this was orchestrated/premeditated and not in the spirit of Open Source.
I'm not entirely sure that I'd want to use or stand behind vTiger, not unless some more in-depth research into their morals was conducted. Not that I'm at all a Sugar advocate, but something sure doesn't smell too kosher here, you know?
Interesting...thanks for bringing this up.
---- you have to keep in mind that forking is one of the great strengths of open source. That is the spirit of open source.
They obviously were not under any obligation to make contributions to the project prior to forking it - the obligations for credits and such were likely spelled out in the license and should have been followed but people do make mistakes. Obviously their objective is to create an income base derived from selling support to the project, whether it is a better value to use vtiger or sugar is of course up to the consumer.
Craig
Craig White wrote:
you have to keep in mind that forking is one of the great strengths of open source. That is the spirit of open source.
Oh completely agreed - but how often do you see a fork before any code/developement is actually contributed (or, an earnest attempt to contribute)? While forking is in the spirit, forking outright "just because" doesn't seem like it's truly in the spirit. (*)
I'm comparing this to more well known forks, like X.org or the more recent Mambo/Joomla. Political issues aside, the forks followed a more traditional path of people at least trying first to make it work. The vTiger fork strikes more more as a hit-and-run on someone else's codebase.
My $0.02 US. :) -te
(*) again I'm not a proponent of either side, but from a long time open source contributor and advocate point of view the vTiger moves feels sketchy
On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 11:59 -0800, Troy Engel wrote:
Craig White wrote:
you have to keep in mind that forking is one of the great strengths of open source. That is the spirit of open source.
Oh completely agreed - but how often do you see a fork before any code/developement is actually contributed (or, an earnest attempt to contribute)? While forking is in the spirit, forking outright "just because" doesn't seem like it's truly in the spirit. (*)
I'm comparing this to more well known forks, like X.org or the more recent Mambo/Joomla. Political issues aside, the forks followed a more traditional path of people at least trying first to make it work. The vTiger fork strikes more more as a hit-and-run on someone else's codebase.
My $0.02 US. :) -te
(*) again I'm not a proponent of either side, but from a long time open source contributor and advocate point of view the vTiger moves feels sketchy
---- I think it would be reasonable to conclude that their motivations are entirely commercial if that is what you are driving at.
Craig
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