Hello list,
i´m looking forward to buy a new server. It should be low voltage so i´m thinking of a via eden processor like this one -> http://tinyurl.com/3ymlkl (sorry, there´s only a german page).
Has someone expierence in using a via eden processsor?
Thanks!
Kamill
I have in the past used an early VIA Mini-ITX motherboard for the basis of a server.
I believe (and I'm ready to be corrected) that you will need to use an i586 Linux build as the VIA processors arent completely compatible with the i686 instruction set.
FWIW I changed from VIA to a Pentium M based mobo for the basis of a low power / heat server - mainly because I was having problems running multiple (8) drives from the VIA. At the time I had a dual slot riser card with two promise cards and it worked OK but I found it a little slow.
Hope this helps
Daveh
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Kamill S Sent: 15 March 2007 19:24 To: centos@centos.org Subject: [CentOS] Via Eden
Hello list,
i´m looking forward to buy a new server. It should be low voltage so i´m thinking of a via eden processor like this one -> http://tinyurl.com/3ymlkl (sorry, there´s only a german page).
Has someone expierence in using a via eden processsor?
Thanks!
Kamill
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Kamill S wrote:
Hello list,
i´m looking forward to buy a new server. It should be low voltage so i´m thinking of a via eden processor like this one -> http://tinyurl.com/3ymlkl (sorry, there´s only a german page).
thats not what I'd call a 'server' by any stretch, its a mini-ITX motherboard, typically used in embedded systems. As I understand it, those 1.2GHz "Eden" CPUs perform comparably to a 450Mhz Pentium II, have very slow memory and IO bandwidth, don't support ECC memory (mandatory for any server in my book) and have very limited IO expansion.
I suppose it really matters what this "server" is expected to do..
John R Pierce schrieb:
Kamill S wrote:
Hello list,
i´m looking forward to buy a new server. It should be low voltage so i´m thinking of a via eden processor like this one -> http://tinyurl.com/3ymlkl (sorry, there´s only a german page).
thats not what I'd call a 'server' by any stretch, its a mini-ITX motherboard, typically used in embedded systems. As I understand it, those 1.2GHz "Eden" CPUs perform comparably to a 450Mhz Pentium II, have very slow memory and IO bandwidth, don't support ECC memory (mandatory for any server in my book) and have very limited IO expansion.
I suppose it really matters what this "server" is expected to do..
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Sorry, I forgot to tell that this server act as a fileserver for 7 windows clients. Also BackupPC should run on it.
Kamill
Kamill S wrote:
John R Pierce schrieb:
thats not what I'd call a 'server' by any stretch, its a mini-ITX motherboard, typically used in embedded systems. As I understand it, those 1.2GHz "Eden" CPUs perform comparably to a 450Mhz Pentium II, have very slow memory and IO bandwidth, don't support ECC memory (mandatory for any server in my book) and have very limited IO expansion.
I suppose it really matters what this "server" is expected to do..
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Sorry, I forgot to tell that this server act as a fileserver for 7 windows clients. Also BackupPC should run on it.
Sounds fine to me. Via does have some more. Everythinglinux.com.au sells them here, for Linux. You might peruse its website.
I think JP lives in another world, one with bigger networks and bigger budgets.
Yes, CentOS 4.2 runs fine. kernel compile of 2.6.18 something took about 80 minutes. Versus comparables of 30 minutes for a recent desktop. The mini-itx fanless box is neat but slow by today's terms. Not usable except for a specific, low load service IMO. Maybe playing MP3's in your car? Also see the DSL hadware offering.
My $.02, TimJowers
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Kamill S wrote:
John R Pierce schrieb:
thats not what I'd call a 'server' by any stretch, its a mini-ITX motherboard, typically used in embedded systems. As I understand it, those 1.2GHz "Eden" CPUs perform comparably to a 450Mhz Pentium II, have very slow memory and IO bandwidth, don't support ECC memory (mandatory for any server in my book) and have very limited IO expansion.
I suppose it really matters what this "server" is expected to do..
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Sorry, I forgot to tell that this server act as a fileserver for 7 windows clients. Also BackupPC should run on it.
Sounds fine to me. Via does have some more. Everythinglinux.com.au sells them here, for Linux. You might peruse its website.
I think JP lives in another world, one with bigger networks and bigger budgets.
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John Summerfield schrieb:
Kamill S wrote:
John R Pierce schrieb:
thats not what I'd call a 'server' by any stretch, its a mini-ITX motherboard, typically used in embedded systems. As I understand it, those 1.2GHz "Eden" CPUs perform comparably to a 450Mhz Pentium II, have very slow memory and IO bandwidth, don't support ECC memory (mandatory for any server in my book) and have very limited IO expansion.
I suppose it really matters what this "server" is expected to do..
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Sorry, I forgot to tell that this server act as a fileserver for 7 windows clients. Also BackupPC should run on it.
Sounds fine to me. Via does have some more. Everythinglinux.com.au sells them here, for Linux. You might peruse its website.
I think JP lives in another world, one with bigger networks and bigger budgets.
Thanks! I take a look at this page.
Kamill S wrote:
Hello list,
i´m looking forward to buy a new server. It should be low voltage so i´m thinking of a via eden processor like this one -> http://tinyurl.com/3ymlkl (sorry, there´s only a german page).
Has someone expierence in using a via eden processsor?
A mate of mine swears by them. he runs Trustix 2.0 I think. OS/2 on one of them.
Kamill S wrote:
Hello list,
i´m looking forward to buy a new server. It should be low voltage so i´m thinking of a via eden processor like this one -> http://tinyurl.com/3ymlkl (sorry, there´s only a german page).
Has someone expierence in using a via eden processsor?
I'm using CentOS on a via system I got from LogicSupply. http://www.logicsupply.com/
Some other responders might not give Via systems much respect. I have experienced some lockups when doing rsync on the system Ihad and had disable disk DMA to keep it stable. However, for $400US, I run a quiet, cool home mail server and like it just fine. I'm running more Via systems as development network hardware, mostly because of the price. (I use different systems for production, my production environment is much higher traffic.) The memory bandwidth for Via systems is not stellar. I would not expect one of these Via boxes to do Gigabit routing, and I wouldn't expect better NAT performance than about 20Mbps when using some of these as a firewall or load balancer. If your needs are modest, Via+CentOS are an obvious win.
This is the system I run at home, and the southbridge chipset did not like disk DMA with sustained network load. Newer chipsets should not have this problem. http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/cPath/49/products_id/372
Note that I've talked to one of the techs at LogicSupply who has mentioned that since CentOS runs a slightly older kernel, newer firewire or onboard audio chipsets might not be supported in CentOS kernels but better supported in Ubuntu or Fedora kernels.
Jed
Jed Reynolds schrieb:
Kamill S wrote:
Hello list,
i´m looking forward to buy a new server. It should be low voltage so i´m thinking of a via eden processor like this one -> http://tinyurl.com/3ymlkl (sorry, there´s only a german page).
Has someone expierence in using a via eden processsor?
I'm using CentOS on a via system I got from LogicSupply. http://www.logicsupply.com/
Some other responders might not give Via systems much respect. I have experienced some lockups when doing rsync on the system Ihad and had disable disk DMA to keep it stable. However, for $400US, I run a quiet, cool home mail server and like it just fine. I'm running more Via systems as development network hardware, mostly because of the price. (I use different systems for production, my production environment is much higher traffic.) The memory bandwidth for Via systems is not stellar. I would not expect one of these Via boxes to do Gigabit routing, and I wouldn't expect better NAT performance than about 20Mbps when using some of these as a firewall or load balancer. If your needs are modest, Via+CentOS are an obvious win.
This is the system I run at home, and the southbridge chipset did not like disk DMA with sustained network load. Newer chipsets should not have this problem. http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/cPath/49/products_id/372
Note that I've talked to one of the techs at LogicSupply who has mentioned that since CentOS runs a slightly older kernel, newer firewire or onboard audio chipsets might not be supported in CentOS kernels but better supported in Ubuntu or Fedora kernels.
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Hello,
I have decided to buy a MSI Barebone Axis 700 with an Via C7 1000Mhz processor. The processor correspond with a Celeron ~800 Mhz I think. This is enough for the little filesever. E. g. at home I run for my own an old Pentium III with 500 Mhz as fileserver, firewall, httpd and squid proxy without problems. So a newer Via C7 should have more performace as my server. I think it´s still a good idea to buy a Via.
Kamill
I've been thinking of using one of these for a home theater head unit.
http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/products_id/696
Was planning to configure it with the following:
Dual 4gig compact flash cards w/IDE adapters (about $50/each) Re-use old 3Ware dual port IDE card to make this a bootable RAID0 array (for speed) Cheap 2.5" 20gig drive for swap and /var partitions Some sort of remote control (haven't sorted this yet)
The system has hardware mpeg 2/4 acceleration and DVI/Component video outputs and SPDIF out for audio. It will grab the actual content off a 2TB array that's hiding in another room via ethernet. On the software front, I'm looking at Freevo + Centos. I'm hoping to get it all together for about US$700 in some sort of non-eyesore enclosure for my AV rack.
Cheers,
chrism@imntv.com wrote:
I've been thinking of using one of these for a home theater head unit.
http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/products_id/696
Was planning to configure it with the following:
Dual 4gig compact flash cards w/IDE adapters (about $50/each) Re-use old 3Ware dual port IDE card to make this a bootable RAID0 array (for speed)
Track down ipcop. It's a firewall package, and I believe there is advice about using CF as disk.
I think there's a limit to how many times you can write to it, and it might bite you.
I prefer the idea of a notepad drive; faster and more duable.
Cheap 2.5" 20gig drive for swap and /var partitions
A drive that small is likely slower than newer ones.
Some sort of remote control (haven't sorted this yet)
The system has hardware mpeg 2/4 acceleration and DVI/Component video outputs and SPDIF out for audio. It will grab the actual content off a 2TB array that's hiding in another room via ethernet. On the software front, I'm looking at Freevo + Centos. I'm hoping to get it all together for about US$700 in some sort of non-eyesore enclosure for my AV rack.
Cheers,
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
John Summerfield wrote:
chrism@imntv.com wrote:
I've been thinking of using one of these for a home theater head unit.
http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/products_id/696
Was planning to configure it with the following:
Dual 4gig compact flash cards w/IDE adapters (about $50/each) Re-use old 3Ware dual port IDE card to make this a bootable RAID0 array (for speed)
Track down ipcop. It's a firewall package, and I believe there is advice about using CF as disk.
I think there's a limit to how many times you can write to it, and it might bite you.
I prefer the idea of a notepad drive; faster and more duable.
Limited writes isn't an issue here since the only writes to the media will be the OS, applications, and occasional updates. The media store is on a separate machine. /var and swap are on the notebook drive. The idea is to use the flash so that it wakes up relatively quickly, makes little noise, and generates little heat.
Cheap 2.5" 20gig drive for swap and /var partitions
A drive that small is likely slower than newer ones.
Which doesn't matter since it is only going to be used for /var and swap.
Cheers,
chrism@imntv.com wrote:
John Summerfield wrote:
chrism@imntv.com wrote:
I've been thinking of using one of these for a home theater head unit.
http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/products_id/696
Was planning to configure it with the following:
Dual 4gig compact flash cards w/IDE adapters (about $50/each) Re-use old 3Ware dual port IDE card to make this a bootable RAID0 array (for speed)
Track down ipcop. It's a firewall package, and I believe there is advice about using CF as disk.
I think there's a limit to how many times you can write to it, and it might bite you.
I prefer the idea of a notepad drive; faster and more duable.
Limited writes isn't an issue here since the only writes to the media will be the OS, applications, and occasional updates. The media store
Directories? Where are /var/{tmp,run,lock} /tmp?
is on a separate machine. /var and swap are on the notebook drive. The idea is to use the flash so that it wakes up relatively quickly, makes little noise, and generates little heat.
Don't assume, do your research.
btw Don't assume that flash is faster than a real drive.
Cheap 2.5" 20gig drive for swap and /var partitions
A drive that small is likely slower than newer ones.
Which doesn't matter since it is only going to be used for /var and swap.
Cheers,
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
John Summerfield wrote:
chrism@imntv.com wrote:
John Summerfield wrote:
chrism@imntv.com wrote:
I've been thinking of using one of these for a home theater head unit.
http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/products_id/696
Was planning to configure it with the following:
Dual 4gig compact flash cards w/IDE adapters (about $50/each) Re-use old 3Ware dual port IDE card to make this a bootable RAID0 array (for speed)
Track down ipcop. It's a firewall package, and I believe there is advice about using CF as disk.
I think there's a limit to how many times you can write to it, and it might bite you.
I prefer the idea of a notepad drive; faster and more duable.
Limited writes isn't an issue here since the only writes to the media will be the OS, applications, and occasional updates. The media store
Directories? Where are /var/{tmp,run,lock} /tmp?
is on a separate machine. /var and swap are on the notebook drive. The idea is to use the flash so that it wakes up relatively quickly, makes little noise, and generates little heat.
Can you not read? The answer was in the message you quoted.
Don't assume, do your research.
btw Don't assume that flash is faster than a real drive.
Now you're just being argumentative. Are we done here or did you have some additional irrelevant comments to make?
Best regards,
chrism@imntv.com wrote:
John Summerfield wrote:
chrism@imntv.com wrote:
John Summerfield wrote:
chrism@imntv.com wrote:
I've been thinking of using one of these for a home theater head unit.
http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/products_id/696
Was planning to configure it with the following:
Dual 4gig compact flash cards w/IDE adapters (about $50/each) Re-use old 3Ware dual port IDE card to make this a bootable RAID0 array (for speed)
Track down ipcop. It's a firewall package, and I believe there is advice about using CF as disk.
I think there's a limit to how many times you can write to it, and it might bite you.
I prefer the idea of a notepad drive; faster and more duable.
Limited writes isn't an issue here since the only writes to the media will be the OS, applications, and occasional updates. The media store
Directories? Where are /var/{tmp,run,lock} /tmp?
is on a separate machine. /var and swap are on the notebook drive. The idea is to use the flash so that it wakes up relatively quickly, makes little noise, and generates little heat.
Can you not read? The answer was in the message you quoted.
I can read. I am skeptical.
Don't assume, do your research.
btw Don't assume that flash is faster than a real drive.
Now you're just being argumentative. Are we done here or did you have some additional irrelevant comments to make?
Flash is notably slow. Since writing, I have done some research. If you want good performance (60 Mbytes/sec), it's expensive. You still have a limited number of writes.
Don't use consumer-grade flash for this if reliability and performance are important. Industrial grade is good. It also costs.
I heard, on another list, of someone who inserted a flash drive and exceeded the writes limit on first use. It was fairly big then, 4 Gbytes, and had a FAT filesystem.
Best regards,
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