On Friday 30 January 2009 17:17:00 Chris Boyd wrote:
On Jan 30, 2009, at 4:19 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
I know I was shocked at the price I had to pay last time I replaced the APC battery. My favourite vendor sells a lot of Liebert PowerSure UPSs, so I presume they have had no problems with them, or they'd have given up by now. There is a large range, and the prices are good, but the only thing I can say is that I haven't heard anyone complain. I'd prefer to hear a positive report before buying.
My company is a Leibert UPS VAR. We became one after we started having problems with the APC systems we were using (I mentioned the shutdowns earlier on the list) and started buying Leibert for our own use. Leibert's people contacted us so we could get better pricing. I'll never use another APC again.
That's comforting. If I can't get an APC battery at a reasonable price I'll take a look at that. I'm using a Smart-UPS 700, and replacing it would be expensive for a home system. My son-in-law has a Leibert on his system (which uses a lot more power than mine) and is happy with it, but hasn't had it so long, so I'm glad to get another opinion.
In the US we have a specialty battery retailer called "Batteries Plus" that's a good source for replacement batteries. If you are not too far from a good sized city you should be able to find a similar business where you are. Voltage and current ratings and the form factors for batteries are worldwide industry standards, so you should be able to find replacements for far less money than getting the "certified" batteries from APC.
OK, thanks. I'll look around. I guess if they are selling 'standard' batteries they will have some way of making sure that what I buy is compatible. Another adventure :-)
Anne
On Jan 30, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
OK, thanks. I'll look around. I guess if they are selling 'standard' batteries they will have some way of making sure that what I buy is compatible. Another adventure :-)
There's info on the battery that will identify it.
Voltage (typically 12V for a small UPS) Ah or mAh (Amp-hours or milliamp-hours, typically 7.5 for a small UPS) A manufacturer model number (they should be able to cross-reference to get the equivalent)
--Chris
Chris Boyd wrote:
On Jan 30, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
OK, thanks. I'll look around. I guess if they are selling 'standard' batteries they will have some way of making sure that what I buy is compatible. Another adventure :-)
There's info on the battery that will identify it.
Voltage (typically 12V for a small UPS) Ah or mAh (Amp-hours or milliamp-hours, typically 7.5 for a small UPS) A manufacturer model number (they should be able to cross-reference to get the equivalent)
many of the smaller UPS's use a pair of 6V 12AH batteries wired in series... if these are mounted side-by-side, you can use a single 12V 12AH.
many UPS batteries use a somewhat different rating than AH, based on minutes at some load factor.
I get my batteries from http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Cat=393246
anyways... measure the size of the battery, go here, select the voltage on the far right, and pick the size, and .250 spades (or whatever) and hit search. BB are somewhat cheaper, Panasonic are considered premium grade. a really large UPS will use M5 or M6 bolt lugs.
prices -have- gone up.... a few years ago, Panasonic 12V 20AH were $44. now they are $73. ouch.
if this is too complex, or if your UPS uses a funky battery assembly you're not up for hacking, try these guys... http://www.refurbups.com/Catalog/By-APC-RBC-Battery-Number;jsessionid=0a0105...
On Friday 30 January 2009 19:33:24 John R Pierce wrote:
Chris Boyd wrote:
On Jan 30, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
OK, thanks. I'll look around. I guess if they are selling 'standard' batteries they will have some way of making sure that what I buy is compatible. Another adventure :-)
There's info on the battery that will identify it.
Voltage (typically 12V for a small UPS) Ah or mAh (Amp-hours or milliamp-hours, typically 7.5 for a small UPS) A manufacturer model number (they should be able to cross-reference to get the equivalent)
many of the smaller UPS's use a pair of 6V 12AH batteries wired in series... if these are mounted side-by-side, you can use a single 12V 12AH.
many UPS batteries use a somewhat different rating than AH, based on minutes at some load factor.
I get my batteries from http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Cat=393246
anyways... measure the size of the battery, go here, select the voltage on the far right, and pick the size, and .250 spades (or whatever) and hit search. BB are somewhat cheaper, Panasonic are considered premium grade. a really large UPS will use M5 or M6 bolt lugs.
prices -have- gone up.... a few years ago, Panasonic 12V 20AH were $44. now they are $73. ouch.
if this is too complex, or if your UPS uses a funky battery assembly you're not up for hacking, try these guys... http://www.refurbups.com/Catalog/By-APC-RBC-Battery-Number;jsessionid=0a010 5501f434fd727d50b9643569c308deb23faa548.e3eSc34OaxmTe34Pa38Ta38Qb350
OK. Thanks, both of you. Info bookmarked for investigation :-)
Anne
At 03:28 PM 1/30/2009, you wrote:
On Friday 30 January 2009 19:33:24 John R Pierce wrote:
Chris Boyd wrote:
On Jan 30, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
OK, thanks. I'll look around. I guess if they are selling 'standard' batteries they will have some way of making sure that what I buy is compatible. Another adventure :-)
There's info on the battery that will identify it.
Voltage (typically 12V for a small UPS) Ah or mAh (Amp-hours or milliamp-hours, typically 7.5 for a small UPS) A manufacturer model number (they should be able to cross-reference to get the equivalent)
many of the smaller UPS's use a pair of 6V 12AH batteries wired in series... if these are mounted side-by-side, you can use a single 12V 12AH.
many UPS batteries use a somewhat different rating than AH, based on minutes at some load factor.
I get my batteries from http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Cat=393246
anyways... measure the size of the battery, go here, select the voltage on the far right, and pick the size, and .250 spades (or whatever) and hit search. BB are somewhat cheaper, Panasonic are considered premium grade. a really large UPS will use M5 or M6 bolt lugs.
prices -have- gone up.... a few years ago, Panasonic 12V 20AH were $44. now they are $73. ouch.
if this is too complex, or if your UPS uses a funky battery assembly you're not up for hacking, try these guys... http://www.refurbups.com/Catalog/By-APC-RBC-Battery-Number;jsessionid=0a010 5501f434fd727d50b9643569c308deb23faa548.e3eSc34OaxmTe34Pa38Ta38Qb350
OK. Thanks, both of you. Info bookmarked for investigation :-)
Anne
Anne,
Are you located in U.S., U.K. or Europe? I couldn't tell?
Thanks, Glenn
At 04:57 PM 1/30/2009, you wrote:
On Friday 30 January 2009 20:51:53 Glenn wrote:
Are you located in U.S., U.K. or Europe? I couldn't tell?
UK
Anne
Reason I asked is because APC has refurbished UPS for half price with free shipping a lot of the times in the US. I've had very good luck with the refurbished units. Sorry.
Glenn
On Friday 30 January 2009 22:20:17 Glenn wrote:
At 04:57 PM 1/30/2009, you wrote:
On Friday 30 January 2009 20:51:53 Glenn wrote:
Are you located in U.S., U.K. or Europe? I couldn't tell?
UK
Anne
Reason I asked is because APC has refurbished UPS for half price with free shipping a lot of the times in the US. I've had very good luck with the refurbished units. Sorry.
A while back I got a newsletter from them, offering trade-ins. I filed it for later use - and forgot where I filed it :-( Information overload :-)
Anne
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