Hello everyone
I'm already on the training to get the certification on RHCSA. and I wondered if someone has a guide or something else from where to study.
Thks Fidel Dominguez
On 6/2/2013 3:58 AM, Fidel Dominguez wrote:
Hello everyone
I'm already on the training to get the certification on RHCSA. and I wondered if someone has a guide or something else from where to study.
Thks Fidel Dominguez _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
There are couple books you can buy and read. Also RH has lots of docs. I have seen nice video tutorials and training which you can buy.
What are looking for?
Eliezer
On Jun 2, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Eliezer Croitoru eliezer@ngtech.co.il wrote:
On 6/2/2013 3:58 AM, Fidel Dominguez wrote:
Hello everyone
I'm already on the training to get the certification on RHCSA. and I wondered if someone has a guide or something else from where to study.
Thks Fidel Dominguez _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
There are couple books you can buy and read. Also RH has lots of docs. I have seen nice video tutorials and training which you can buy.
What are looking for?
Eliezer _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
I'd say the Michael Jang RHCSA/RHCE book.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0071765654/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1370187824&s...
Unless you really wanna spend money on it, I would say that certification is just a piece of paper. Ah discard that, in this case, it is not even a piece of paper since you don't get one after passing!
Have been there, seen the guys who knew more than CEs or SAs.
Just get the books, read them, study the docs and put it to use!
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Justin Edmands shockwavecs@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 2, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Eliezer Croitoru eliezer@ngtech.co.il wrote:
On 6/2/2013 3:58 AM, Fidel Dominguez wrote:
Hello everyone
I'm already on the training to get the certification on RHCSA. and I wondered if someone has a guide or something else from where to study.
Thks Fidel Dominguez _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
There are couple books you can buy and read. Also RH has lots of docs. I have seen nice video tutorials and training which you can buy.
What are looking for?
Eliezer _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
I'd say the Michael Jang RHCSA/RHCE book.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0071765654/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1370187824&s... _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On 06/02/2013 11:39 AM, Micky wrote:
Unless you really wanna spend money on it, I would say that certification is just a piece of paper. Ah discard that, in this case, it is not even a piece of paper since you don't get one after passing!
Have been there, seen the guys who knew more than CEs or SAs.
Just get the books, read them, study the docs and put it to use!
This is just not true. Most companies who actually hire workers and pay salaries want certified people.
One can certainly get a job without a certification and it does not mean that the person who has a certification is the best thing since sliced bread ... however, it certainly proves that the person with the certification has a certain set of minimal qualifications.
In other words, it does not raise the ceiling (or high water mark or maximum) for knowledge level, but it certainly raises the floor (or low water mark or minimum) knowledge that you know the person has.
It also shows that they are at least a little concerned about what they look like professionally.
In my experience, people who complain about how little certifications mean don't have any and are too lazy to care about getting any ... your mileage may vary.
Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 06/02/2013 11:39 AM, Micky wrote:
Unless you really wanna spend money on it, I would say that certification is just a piece of paper. Ah discard that, in this case, it is not even a piece of paper since you don't get one after passing!
Have been there, seen the guys who knew more than CEs or SAs.
Just get the books, read them, study the docs and put it to use!
This is just not true. Most companies who actually hire workers and pay salaries want certified people.
<snip> AFAIK, the biggest effect of the cert is that the idiots in HR, who actually have no knowledge of what they're hiring for, run the canned searches that look for acronyms will get that as a hit.
In my experience, people who complain about how little certifications mean don't have any and are too lazy to care about getting any ... your mileage may vary.
Well, there's another issue, Johnny: whatsit, $3k out of your checkbook? I've yet to work for a company that would pay for that.
mark
Well, there's another issue, Johnny: whatsit, $3k out of your checkbook? I've yet to work for a company that would pay for that.
My previous employers would not do so. My current employer encourages one course per year at least.
This week I'm doing RHS429 (selinux policy administration) which would not be possible without my RHCE.
It's very interesting and will be valuable in the future as there is stuff I'm learning from the instructor that I would have had little chance or taken much longer on my own... Especially with the exam at the end of the week coming up.
My next plan is to upgrade my rhce 5 to rhce 6 and it requires lot of homework and training, instead of drinking beer.
2013/6/5 James Hogarth james.hogarth@gmail.com
Well, there's another issue, Johnny: whatsit, $3k out of your checkbook? I've yet to work for a company that would pay for that.
My previous employers would not do so. My current employer encourages one course per year at least.
This week I'm doing RHS429 (selinux policy administration) which would not be possible without my RHCE.
It's very interesting and will be valuable in the future as there is stuff I'm learning from the instructor that I would have had little chance or taken much longer on my own... Especially with the exam at the end of the week coming up. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
--On Tuesday, June 04, 2013 03:49:33 PM -0400 m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Well, there's another issue, Johnny: whatsit, $3k out of your checkbook? I've yet to work for a company that would pay for that.
Depends a lot on the company. Going back a few years, I used to work for a company (a VAR where we did a lot of straight-consulting work as well) that not only insisted that you get your certifications (in this case the high end Sun or Cisco certifications ... clustering, storage, networking, etc), but they would either pay for you to take the challenge exams or pay for you to go on the official course, including airfare, hotel, meals, etc.
The courses themselves were typically upwards of $5k IIRC (not including travel and hotel), but the payoff was ensuring that their was no large gap in their employee's knowledge, plus the bragging rights of their certifications when the company would go bid on contracts. It seemed to make good business sense for them.
OTOH, when I've hired people I may look at whatever certifications they claim, but the certs would also be one of the last differentiators that I would use, weighing much less than experience, the person's degrees, and that gut feeling you get from the interview.
Devin
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org wrote:
On 06/02/2013 11:39 AM, Micky wrote:
Unless you really wanna spend money on it, I would say that certification is just a piece of paper. Ah discard that, in this case, it is not even a piece of paper since you don't get one after passing!
Have been there, seen the guys who knew more than CEs or SAs.
Just get the books, read them, study the docs and put it to use!
This is just not true. Most companies who actually hire workers and pay salaries want certified people.
Yes it is not unless you are Judith Shine or Charley Babbage. Have you managed to find a dream job like that? People in the HR don't know the shit about most certifications. They treat all cattle the same!
One can certainly get a job without a certification and it does not mean that the person who has a certification is the best thing since sliced bread ... however, it certainly proves that the person with the certification has a certain set of minimal qualifications.
That is also not true. I see the Red Hat certification dogma following M$ track lately. If you claim that you certainly haven't been to the *real* market outside! If you have been to one, recently, you would know that no matter what certification you get, you'll mostly end up to the same line in the chain of food. The probability of exceptions are one a hundred thousand!
In other words, it does not raise the ceiling (or high water mark or maximum) for knowledge level, but it certainly raises the floor (or low water mark or minimum) knowledge that you know the person has.
That can also be attained by just reading books, docs and most of all, its application.
It also shows that they are at least a little concerned about what they look like professionally.
Yea yea yea, I don't want to talk about my certifications.
In my experience, people who complain about how little certifications mean don't have any and are too lazy to care about getting any ... your mileage may vary.
In my opinion, the people pushing you towards a certification have either something to gain from it, affiliated with the grand scheme of corporate profits somehow, are rich or they have simply have been sadly out-of-the-loop from real world!
Although ignorance is a bliss but certifications don't really matter, knowledge does!
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
On Jun 5, 2013, at 5:32 AM, Micky mickylmartin@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org wrote:
On 06/02/2013 11:39 AM, Micky wrote:
Unless you really wanna spend money on it, I would say that certification is just a piece of paper. Ah discard that, in this case, it is not even a piece of paper since you don't get one after passing!
Have been there, seen the guys who knew more than CEs or SAs.
Just get the books, read them, study the docs and put it to use!
This is just not true. Most companies who actually hire workers and pay salaries want certified people.
Yes it is not unless you are Judith Shine or Charley Babbage. Have you managed to find a dream job like that? People in the HR don't know the shit about most certifications. They treat all cattle the same!
One can certainly get a job without a certification and it does not mean that the person who has a certification is the best thing since sliced bread ... however, it certainly proves that the person with the certification has a certain set of minimal qualifications.
That is also not true. I see the Red Hat certification dogma following M$ track lately. If you claim that you certainly haven't been to the *real* market outside! If you have been to one, recently, you would know that no matter what certification you get, you'll mostly end up to the same line in the chain of food. The probability of exceptions are one a hundred thousand!
In other words, it does not raise the ceiling (or high water mark or maximum) for knowledge level, but it certainly raises the floor (or low water mark or minimum) knowledge that you know the person has.
That can also be attained by just reading books, docs and most of all, its application.
It also shows that they are at least a little concerned about what they look like professionally.
Yea yea yea, I don't want to talk about my certifications.
In my experience, people who complain about how little certifications mean don't have any and are too lazy to care about getting any ... your mileage may vary.
In my opinion, the people pushing you towards a certification have either something to gain from it, affiliated with the grand scheme of corporate profits somehow, are rich or they have simply have been sadly out-of-the-loop from real world!
Although ignorance is a bliss but certifications don't really matter, knowledge does!
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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A lot easier to justify paying you more money than others if you have a certification to show your level of expertise. It's also a way to have the younger guys to stack up against the older guys. So maybe that's the metric that they are looking for. I am young but was hired based on experience. I think the certs gave some credibility based on the time that I received the cert. A "senior" Linux admin is at least 5 years in some jobs. So having my cert dated back far enough is some form of proof that I have been into it that long.
That being said if you need to take a class to barely get the RHCSA.... Then you probably shouldn't be a systems administrator...yet.
RHCE is usually the "baseline", RHCSA is a bit junior cert.
2013/6/5 Justin Edmands shockwavecs@gmail.com
On Jun 5, 2013, at 5:32 AM, Micky mickylmartin@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org
wrote:
On 06/02/2013 11:39 AM, Micky wrote:
Unless you really wanna spend money on it, I would say that certification is just a piece of paper. Ah discard that, in this case, it is not even a piece of paper since you don't get one after passing!
Have been there, seen the guys who knew more than CEs or SAs.
Just get the books, read them, study the docs and put it to use!
This is just not true. Most companies who actually hire workers and pay salaries want certified people.
Yes it is not unless you are Judith Shine or Charley Babbage. Have you managed to find a dream job like that? People in the HR don't know the shit about most certifications. They treat all cattle the same!
One can certainly get a job without a certification and it does not mean that the person who has a certification is the best thing since sliced bread ... however, it certainly proves that the person with the certification has a certain set of minimal qualifications.
That is also not true. I see the Red Hat certification dogma following M$ track lately. If you claim that you certainly haven't been to the *real* market outside! If you have been to one, recently, you would know that no matter what certification you get, you'll mostly end up to the same line in the chain of food. The probability of exceptions are one a hundred thousand!
In other words, it does not raise the ceiling (or high water mark or maximum) for knowledge level, but it certainly raises the floor (or low water mark or minimum) knowledge that you know the person has.
That can also be attained by just reading books, docs and most of all, its application.
It also shows that they are at least a little concerned about what they look like professionally.
Yea yea yea, I don't want to talk about my certifications.
In my experience, people who complain about how little certifications mean don't have any and are too lazy to care about getting any ... your mileage may vary.
In my opinion, the people pushing you towards a certification have either something to gain from it, affiliated with the grand scheme of corporate profits somehow, are rich or they have simply have been sadly out-of-the-loop from real world!
Although ignorance is a bliss but certifications don't really matter, knowledge does!
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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A lot easier to justify paying you more money than others if you have a certification to show your level of expertise. It's also a way to have the younger guys to stack up against the older guys. So maybe that's the metric that they are looking for. I am young but was hired based on experience. I think the certs gave some credibility based on the time that I received the cert. A "senior" Linux admin is at least 5 years in some jobs. So having my cert dated back far enough is some form of proof that I have been into it that long.
That being said if you need to take a class to barely get the RHCSA.... Then you probably shouldn't be a systems administrator...yet. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
I'm going to exam tomorrow.
RHCE is usually the "baseline", RHCSA is a bit junior cert.
Yes, but candidates must have rhcsa to exam rhce. Read about this: http://www.redhat.com/training/courses/ex300/
On 6 June 2013 01:17, Eero Volotinen eero.volotinen@iki.fi wrote:
RHCE is usually the "baseline", RHCSA is a bit junior cert.
2013/6/5 Justin Edmands shockwavecs@gmail.com
On Jun 5, 2013, at 5:32 AM, Micky mickylmartin@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org
wrote:
On 06/02/2013 11:39 AM, Micky wrote:
Unless you really wanna spend money on it, I would say that certification is just a piece of paper. Ah discard that, in this
case,
it is not even a piece of paper since you don't get one after
passing!
Have been there, seen the guys who knew more than CEs or SAs.
Just get the books, read them, study the docs and put it to use!
This is just not true. Most companies who actually hire workers and
pay
salaries want certified people.
Yes it is not unless you are Judith Shine or Charley Babbage. Have you managed to find a dream job like that? People in the HR don't know the shit about most certifications. They treat all cattle the same!
One can certainly get a job without a certification and it does not
mean
that the person who has a certification is the best thing since sliced bread ... however, it certainly proves that the person with the certification has a certain set of minimal qualifications.
That is also not true. I see the Red Hat certification dogma following M$ track lately. If you claim that you certainly haven't been to the *real* market outside! If you have been to one, recently, you would know that no matter what certification you get, you'll mostly end up to the same line in the chain of food. The probability of exceptions are one a hundred thousand!
In other words, it does not raise the ceiling (or high water mark or maximum) for knowledge level, but it certainly raises the floor (or
low
water mark or minimum) knowledge that you know the person has.
That can also be attained by just reading books, docs and most of all, its application.
It also shows that they are at least a little concerned about what
they
look like professionally.
Yea yea yea, I don't want to talk about my certifications.
In my experience, people who complain about how little certifications mean don't have any and are too lazy to care about getting any ...
your
mileage may vary.
In my opinion, the people pushing you towards a certification have either something to gain from it, affiliated with the grand scheme of corporate profits somehow, are rich or they have simply have been sadly out-of-the-loop from real world!
Although ignorance is a bliss but certifications don't really matter, knowledge does!
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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A lot easier to justify paying you more money than others if you have a certification to show your level of expertise. It's also a way to have
the
younger guys to stack up against the older guys. So maybe that's the
metric
that they are looking for. I am young but was hired based on experience.
I
think the certs gave some credibility based on the time that I received
the
cert. A "senior" Linux admin is at least 5 years in some jobs. So having
my
cert dated back far enough is some form of proof that I have been into it that long.
That being said if you need to take a class to barely get the RHCSA.... Then you probably shouldn't be a systems administrator...yet. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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this is the best!
-- Eero,rhce
2013/6/2 Justin Edmands shockwavecs@gmail.com
On Jun 2, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Eliezer Croitoru eliezer@ngtech.co.il wrote:
On 6/2/2013 3:58 AM, Fidel Dominguez wrote:
Hello everyone
I'm already on the training to get the certification on RHCSA. and I wondered if someone has a guide or something else from where to study.
Thks Fidel Dominguez _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
There are couple books you can buy and read. Also RH has lots of docs. I have seen nice video tutorials and training which you can buy.
What are looking for?
Eliezer _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
I'd say the Michael Jang RHCSA/RHCE book.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0071765654/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1370187824&s... _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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