Hello all, Sorry for the OT thing. I'm helping a friend setting up a new box. It's a Pentium 4 with 430Watt power supply. He wants to plugin his old harddrives and DVD into the new box. The total will be: 3 harddrives, 1 DVD drive, 1 CDRW drive. In the box there are also 2 big fans.
Is 430Watt enough?
Thank you for your sharing.
On Wednesday 02 January 2008 06:38:26 pm Fajar Priyanto wrote:
Hello all, Sorry for the OT thing. I'm helping a friend setting up a new box. It's a Pentium 4 with 430Watt power supply. He wants to plugin his old harddrives and DVD into the new box. The total will be: 3 harddrives, 1 DVD drive, 1 CDRW drive. In the box there are also 2 big fans.
Is 430Watt enough?
Thank you for your sharing.
I would say its plenty big enough. I ran for many years a amd 2600+ box with 2xhdd's 3 optical drives, neon on the case a couple of fans, 1gb ram and a couple of pci cards and i used a 350watt power supply for it
I had another athlon64 3000+ system with 6 sata drives and 3 pci cards 1gb ram and two fans that used a 350watt power supply also
Dennis
On Jan 2, 2008 4:43 PM, Dennis Gilmore dennis@ausil.us wrote:
I would say its plenty big enough. I ran for many years a amd 2600+ box with 2xhdd's 3 optical drives, neon on the case a couple of fans, 1gb ram and a couple of pci cards and i used a 350watt power supply for it
I had another athlon64 3000+ system with 6 sata drives and 3 pci cards 1gb ram and two fans that used a 350watt power supply also
Either you were lucky or I was not - I burned out a 430w power supply with my rig:
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 x2 4200+ (2 x 2.0GHz) M/B: ECS NFORCE4M-A K/M: Logitech EX110 Cordless Desktop (keyboard & mouse) ram: 2GB OCZ DDR2 800MHz (PC6400) fdd: Panasonic 3 1/4" 1.44Mb hds: 160MB Maxtor PATA UDMA-133 & 120MB Maxtor PATA UDMA-133 sds: 300GB Seagate SATA-150/300 320GB WD SATA-150/300 dvd: Emprex 16x DVD+/-RW/Dual-Layer Hammer 16x DVD+/-RW/Dual-Layer/DVD-RAM vid: geFORCE7100gs (nVidia) PCI-E x16 mod: Agere Systems 56k WinModem (Lucent) cap: AverMedia Video Capture
It's a little different now (both DVD drives had to be replaced, for different reasons), and I've been using a 500w PS for about six months, no trouble.
mhr
On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 17:24 -0800, MHR wrote:
On Jan 2, 2008 4:43 PM, Dennis Gilmore dennis@ausil.us wrote:
I would say its plenty big enough. I ran for many years a amd 2600+ box with 2xhdd's 3 optical drives, neon on the case a couple of fans, 1gb ram and a couple of pci cards and i used a 350watt power supply for it
I had another athlon64 3000+ system with 6 sata drives and 3 pci cards 1gb ram and two fans that used a 350watt power supply also
Either you were lucky or I was not - I burned out a 430w power supply with my rig:
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 x2 4200+ (2 x 2.0GHz) M/B: ECS NFORCE4M-A K/M: Logitech EX110 Cordless Desktop (keyboard & mouse) ram: 2GB OCZ DDR2 800MHz (PC6400) fdd: Panasonic 3 1/4" 1.44Mb hds: 160MB Maxtor PATA UDMA-133 & 120MB Maxtor PATA UDMA-133 sds: 300GB Seagate SATA-150/300 320GB WD SATA-150/300 dvd: Emprex 16x DVD+/-RW/Dual-Layer Hammer 16x DVD+/-RW/Dual-Layer/DVD-RAM vid: geFORCE7100gs (nVidia) PCI-E x16 mod: Agere Systems 56k WinModem (Lucent) cap: AverMedia Video Capture
It's a little different now (both DVD drives had to be replaced, for different reasons), and I've been using a 500w PS for about six months, no trouble.
Different mobos may have different needs. I had a 300 watt that was plenty for my Acer AK77-400 (MAx/N) but it consistently chocked when I put the Epox 9KRAI-Pro in that case. The Epox manual recommend >= 350 watts - it didn't lie.
Anyway, to the OP: each of your drives and other components will show maximum needs and your mobo manual may list its needs too. Add them up, add in a little fudge factor and you'll know.
IMO: I always try to run a PS rated *over* what I need. This is to run the PS far enough below it rating that it should run cooler than what it is rated for. Seems to make them last longer and be more reliable.
My Epox board is now on a 550 watt PS, allowing plenty of room for growth.
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On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 22:02 -0500, William L. Maltby wrote:
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Different mobos may have different needs. I had a 300 watt that was plenty for my Acer AK77-400 (MAx/N) but it consistently chocked when I put the Epox 9KRAI-Pro in that case. The Epox manual recommend >= 350
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watts - it didn't lie.
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on 1/2/2008 7:02 PM William L. Maltby spake the following:
On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 17:24 -0800, MHR wrote:
On Jan 2, 2008 4:43 PM, Dennis Gilmore dennis@ausil.us wrote:
I would say its plenty big enough. I ran for many years a amd 2600+ box with 2xhdd's 3 optical drives, neon on the case a couple of fans, 1gb ram and a couple of pci cards and i used a 350watt power supply for it
I had another athlon64 3000+ system with 6 sata drives and 3 pci cards 1gb ram and two fans that used a 350watt power supply also
Either you were lucky or I was not - I burned out a 430w power supply with my rig:
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 x2 4200+ (2 x 2.0GHz) M/B: ECS NFORCE4M-A K/M: Logitech EX110 Cordless Desktop (keyboard & mouse) ram: 2GB OCZ DDR2 800MHz (PC6400) fdd: Panasonic 3 1/4" 1.44Mb hds: 160MB Maxtor PATA UDMA-133 & 120MB Maxtor PATA UDMA-133 sds: 300GB Seagate SATA-150/300 320GB WD SATA-150/300 dvd: Emprex 16x DVD+/-RW/Dual-Layer Hammer 16x DVD+/-RW/Dual-Layer/DVD-RAM vid: geFORCE7100gs (nVidia) PCI-E x16 mod: Agere Systems 56k WinModem (Lucent) cap: AverMedia Video Capture
It's a little different now (both DVD drives had to be replaced, for different reasons), and I've been using a 500w PS for about six months, no trouble.
Different mobos may have different needs. I had a 300 watt that was plenty for my Acer AK77-400 (MAx/N) but it consistently chocked when I put the Epox 9KRAI-Pro in that case. The Epox manual recommend >= 350 watts - it didn't lie.
Anyway, to the OP: each of your drives and other components will show maximum needs and your mobo manual may list its needs too. Add them up, add in a little fudge factor and you'll know.
IMO: I always try to run a PS rated *over* what I need. This is to run the PS far enough below it rating that it should run cooler than what it is rated for. Seems to make them last longer and be more reliable.
My Epox board is now on a 550 watt PS, allowing plenty of room for growth.
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And buy quality components if you want them to last. I have seen so called 450 watt supplies in the $20 US range that are obviously crap. Probably rated at the peak output, not a sustained load. You don't need the most expensive, but you can tell the difference when you pick them up. The cheap ones feel as if they are made from beer cans.
Fajar Priyanto wrote:
Hello all, Sorry for the OT thing. I'm helping a friend setting up a new box. It's a Pentium 4 with 430Watt power supply. He wants to plugin his old harddrives and DVD into the new box. The total will be: 3 harddrives, 1 DVD drive, 1 CDRW drive. In the box there are also 2 big fans.
Is 430Watt enough?
What brand?
On Wednesday 02 January 2008, Ugo Bellavance wrote:
Fajar Priyanto wrote:
Is 430Watt enough?
What brand?
And that is the right question. I have an Antec power supply that is rated at 450W that I used to replace a non name 650W one. The 650W burned out while the 450W works just fine. The reason is easy. The power supply has different rails. Different rails are used for the different voltages (3.3, 5 and 12V). Some high end supplies have more than one rail for certain voltages. The problem comes in that most cheap manufacturers simply add up the maximum allowed for each rail and use that. However, these power ratings are not independent. Most power supplies create the 3.3V from the 5V. On the power supply you will then see stuff like "Combined maximum for 3.3V and 5V is 25A"
In short, a good 430W power supply will easily deal with what you have planned. If it is a cheap one it will probably burn out.
http://www.playtool.com/pages/psurailhistory/rails.html
Peter.
On Thursday 03 January 2008 10:05:04 Ugo Bellavance wrote:
Fajar Priyanto wrote:
Hello all, Sorry for the OT thing. I'm helping a friend setting up a new box. It's a Pentium 4 with 430Watt power supply. He wants to plugin his old harddrives and DVD into the new box. The total will be: 3 harddrives, 1 DVD drive, 1 CDRW drive. In the box there are also 2 big fans.
Is 430Watt enough?
What brand?
The brand is Symbadda (made in Taiwan). A popular brand here in Indonesia, but I don't know the quality.
The reason why I ask is that I lost 2 harddrives from I suspect that the lack of power from power supply. Surely I don't want the same misfortune happens to my friend's box.
Well, anyway. Thanks for all sharing. I will inform him about this.
on 1/2/2008 8:06 PM Fajar Priyanto spake the following:
On Thursday 03 January 2008 10:05:04 Ugo Bellavance wrote:
Fajar Priyanto wrote:
Hello all, Sorry for the OT thing. I'm helping a friend setting up a new box. It's a Pentium 4 with 430Watt power supply. He wants to plugin his old harddrives and DVD into the new box. The total will be: 3 harddrives, 1 DVD drive, 1 CDRW drive. In the box there are also 2 big fans.
Is 430Watt enough?
What brand?
The brand is Symbadda (made in Taiwan). A popular brand here in Indonesia, but I don't know the quality.
The reason why I ask is that I lost 2 harddrives from I suspect that the lack of power from power supply. Surely I don't want the same misfortune happens to my friend's box.
Well, anyway. Thanks for all sharing. I will inform him about this.
Most likely a short in the power supply damaged the drives. Higher voltage over the 5v supply will kill them fast. Under voltage could have done it if over a long enough period of time, as the motors will run hotter, if they run at all.
On Thu, January 3, 2008 4:05 am, Ugo Bellavance wrote:
Fajar Priyanto wrote:
Hello all, Sorry for the OT thing. I'm helping a friend setting up a new box. It's a Pentium 4 with 430Watt power supply. He wants to plugin his old harddrives and DVD into the new box. The total will be: 3 harddrives, 1 DVD drive, 1 CDRW drive. In the box there are also 2 big fans.
Is 430Watt enough?
What brand?
Exactly. The brand is the most important thing. You could try this calculator, it's really usefull for oc and modding.
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
Cya
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