Hi Harry,
Has much has I like Centos and RH for big sophisticated setup, it would not be my first choice for your project.
For 25 systems and if you want this done without spending to much time, Clarkconnect would by my first choice for server side OS (#2 would be SME).
For me CentOS x64 is #1 choice for enterprise (+500 users with Terabytes of storage ) sever solution. If you have little experience configuring a RH server, get ready to spend lots of time getting everything going as nicely as Clarkconnect does it.
For the clients side, my favorite flavor of Linux is Ubuntu.
cheers, alain
Harry Sukumar wrote:
Hello All!!!
I was wondering if you can help me little bit….
I am trying to help (voluntary service) a country side school (Aboriginal community) in Northern Queensland Australia setup lab infrastructure, it’s a very remote school and they don’t have enough funds to go commercial
The school has only till grade 6
They have 25 machines that was bought out of the government grant but none of the machines come with windows
I was asked by the school president to setup lab infrastructure currently they have Internet (Dynamic) with only two machines connected
I have asked them to change the plan to Static IP address which I presume will be done some time this week
I have decided to go Linux on all the machines including the server
Could some one please cast some light on how I can carry on with this project, I am not sure where to start and I am fairly new to Linux and system administration world
Currently what’s in my mind is to setup fedora on all desktop and CentOS5 as my server with following services configured
Proxy-squid (all the traffic to pass through)
Firewall
Apache
Squirrel mail
DNS
DHCP
I am not sure where to start with this project
Your help will be highly appreciated by the little kids who have never even touched a computer before in there life!!!
--
Many Thanks
Harry
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Alain Terriault wrote:
For 25 systems and if you want this done without spending to much time, Clarkconnect would by my first choice for server side OS (#2 would be SME).
[...]
For the clients side, my favorite flavor of Linux is Ubuntu.
For trees my favourite color is green, while for fire engines it is red.
This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine?
Your case up there looks a bit different: It is easy to say that those are your favourite flavors - but can you substantiate that somehow? Especially as ClarkConnect and SME are based (or at least were based) on CentOS but mostly lack a large community behind them -> Vendor Lock-In.
Ralph
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:07:48PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us:
This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine?
Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-)
Matt
Matt Hyclak wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:07:48PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us:
This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine?
Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-)
I now officially hate you, because you broke my brilliantly laid out retort.
Ralph
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:22:03PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us:
Matt Hyclak wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:07:48PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us:
This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine?
Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-)
I now officially hate you, because you broke my brilliantly laid out retort.
Someone had to :-)
If it makes you feel any better, it looks like they've switched back to Red.
Matt
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Ralph Angenendt ra+centos@br-online.de wrote:
Matt Hyclak wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:07:48PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us:
This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine?
Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-)
I now officially hate you, because you broke my brilliantly laid out retort.
Ralph
Well, you know that he has two strikes against him, now: yours and the fact that he's from Columbus....
mhr (18 year resident of Ann Arbor, MI. ;^)
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 09:53:29AM -0700, MHR enlightened us:
Matt Hyclak wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:07:48PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us:
This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine?
Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-)
I now officially hate you, because you broke my brilliantly laid out retort.
Ralph
Well, you know that he has two strikes against him, now: yours and the fact that he's from Columbus....
mhr (18 year resident of Ann Arbor, MI. ;^)
My wife's family is primarily from West Virginia, so Ann Arbor has two strikes against it: the fact that it's Ann Arbor and Rich Rodriguez ;-)
I suppose that's off topic for here, though...
Matt
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 16:22 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Matt Hyclak wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:07:48PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt enlightened us:
This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine?
Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-)
I now officially hate you, because you broke my brilliantly laid out retort.
Retort? I could've sworn it was a troll. ;-> The reply stating a favorite was an opinion, possibly useful to the OP if he investigated. As a suggestion, the poster had no obligation to offer supporting facts, evidence, research, etc.
In this regard, it was no different than *many* other opinions on many topics offered on the list that don't support a suggestion with rigorous analytical processes. And as usual, the OP can request more info or google.
And FYI, I've seen yellow and green fire trucks somewhere in the several places I've lived. And trees that are red (redwoods in northern California).
Ralph
<snip sif stuff>
William L. Maltby wrote:
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 16:22 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
I now officially hate you, because you broke my brilliantly laid out retort.
Retort? I could've sworn it was a troll. ;->
Na, no troll.
The reply stating a favorite was an opinion, possibly useful to the OP if he investigated. As a suggestion, the poster had no obligation to offer supporting facts, evidence, research, etc.
Sorry, there is one thing I really don't like: Giving out advice without telling why. Because it is really useless for the guy who got that advice. Why should he follow down that path? Why was he given that advice? Is there really a reason to put some research time into that advice?
In this regard, it was no different than *many* other opinions on many topics offered on the list that don't support a suggestion with rigorous analytical processes. And as usual, the OP can request more info or google.
Yes. Opinions. Opinions are good, but should be backed up - and not only when you're queried why you have that opinion.
And FYI, I've seen yellow and green fire trucks somewhere in the several places I've lived. And trees that are red (redwoods in northern California).
Good thing I live in Europe :)
Cheers,
Ralph
Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-)
Safty first... http://www.psychologymatters.org/solomon.html
...and not "all" trees are green in the spring and summer. ;)
Matt Hyclak wrote on Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:18:25 -0400:
Not to pick nits, but in Columbus, OH, USA the fire trucks are (or were) all an awful shade of fluorescent yellow :-)
I'm sure that's why he wrote "*favorite* color" ;-)
Kai
Given the cost and ease of setup, CentOS is a great choice, using one of the machines as a server and the other as clients. CentOS is very robust, and can be configured for one machine to hundreds, so to ear mark it as only a Enterprise package is wrong, and no there isn't a great deal of setup involved. With the tools that come with the package a working server can easily be configured and running in a afternoon, so the task isn't all that tough. Plus you have the wealth of the CentOS community to help if you get in trouble.
That's my nickels worth, you can keep the extra three cents...
john plemons
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Alain Terriault wrote:
For 25 systems and if you want this done without spending to much time, Clarkconnect would by my first choice for server side OS (#2 would be SME).
[...]
For the clients side, my favorite flavor of Linux is Ubuntu.
For trees my favourite color is green, while for fire engines it is red.
This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine?
Your case up there looks a bit different: It is easy to say that those are your favourite flavors - but can you substantiate that somehow? Especially as ClarkConnect and SME are based (or at least were based) on CentOS but mostly lack a large community behind them -> Vendor Lock-In.
Ralph
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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Ralph Angenendt ra+centos@br-online.de wrote:
For trees my favourite color is green, while for fire engines it is red.
This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine?
Well, actually, there was an experiment out here in the wild woolly west of California where, for a year or so, new (?) fire engines were, in fact, painted yellow. It was a kind of dull yellow, not as bright as a school bus, but my family always used to joke about the school buses with sirens. I haven't seen any in a while, although there are some white ones, too.
Aside from the obvious deficiency, yellow has this unusual quality of being invisible under certain types of low power street lamps....
I guess some people just don't see red that well?
mhr
MHR wrote:
Well, actually, there was an experiment out here in the wild woolly west of California where, for a year or so, new (?) fire engines were, in fact, painted yellow. It was a kind of dull yellow, not as bright as a school bus, but my family always used to joke about the school buses with sirens. I haven't seen any in a while, although there are some white ones, too.
they were incredibly bright electric yellow-green around here for awhile... I remember CDF trucks painted that color in the 70s, anyways.
Everything was orangy, yellow or weird green in the 70s... ;-)
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MHR wrote:
Well, actually, there was an experiment out here in the wild woolly west of California where, for a year or so, new (?) fire engines were, in fact, painted yellow. It was a kind of dull yellow, not as bright as a school bus, but my family always used to joke about the school buses with sirens. I haven't seen any in a while, although there are some white ones, too.
they were incredibly bright electric yellow-green around here for awhile... I remember CDF trucks painted that color in the 70s, anyways.
Sorin Srbu wrote:
Everything was orangy, yellow or weird green in the 70s... ;-)
God, and that included my kitchen floor!
-Ross
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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Ross S. W. Walker rwalker@medallion.com wrote:
Sorin Srbu wrote:
Everything was orangy, yellow or weird green in the 70s... ;-)
God, and that included my kitchen floor!
Okay, where did you get those AWESOME drugs? I want some....
mhr
on 6-11-2008 10:45 AM Sorin Srbu spake the following:
Everything was orangy, yellow or weird green in the 70s... ;-)
I think you took some of the bad acid! ;-P
Nah, I'm not that old (I'm the so-called Generation X, born in '72), but I remember how the wallpapers looked, as well as the clothes... X-}
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Scott Silva Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:07 PM To: centos@centos.org Subject: [CentOS] Re: [Fwd: Re: School Server Setup]
on 6-11-2008 10:45 AM Sorin Srbu spake the following:
Everything was orangy, yellow or weird green in the 70s... ;-)
I think you took some of the bad acid! ;-P
Sorin Srbu wrote:
Everything was orangy, yellow or weird green in the 70s... ;-)
Throw in a little brown and you've described a tie-dyed shirt I wore in high school.
Just the other day my wife and I were looking at our old neighborhood with google street view. Unfortunately, some places have really gone downhill since then.
Geez, what did I start with my comment... ;-) FWIW (and if the moderator doesn't mind) I'd like to add I'm from Sweden. I think the 70s were little different here than in the US of A, mostly in the sense that everything was supposed to be mellow and brownish, when it wasn't orange or green and all was about not offending anybody else or something. Personally I wanted to play war with my friends but the teachers objected and started haranguing(?) about Vietnam, solidarity and what not. Like we cared...
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Sorin Srbu wrote:
Everything was orangy, yellow or weird green in the 70s... ;-)
Throw in a little brown and you've described a tie-dyed shirt I wore in high school.
Just the other day my wife and I were looking at our old neighborhood with google street view. Unfortunately, some places have really gone downhill since then.
on 6-11-2008 7:07 AM Ralph Angenendt spake the following:
Alain Terriault wrote:
For 25 systems and if you want this done without spending to much time, Clarkconnect would by my first choice for server side OS (#2 would be SME).
I have to agree with Clarkconnect, except you can only have 10 mail users with the free version.
[...]
For the clients side, my favorite flavor of Linux is Ubuntu.
For trees my favourite color is green, while for fire engines it is red.
This is something you don't have to back up with some arguments, as a non-green tree (at least from spring to fall) doesn't look that healthy and who has ever heard of a yellow fire engine?
Here in California we have green fire engines (US Forestry) and red (burning) trees! At least in the summer. ;-P
Your case up there looks a bit different: It is easy to say that those are your favourite flavors - but can you substantiate that somehow? Especially as ClarkConnect and SME are based (or at least were based) on CentOS but mostly lack a large community behind them -> Vendor Lock-In.
SME has quite an array of addon packages. www.contribs.org.
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Scott Silva ssilva@sgvwater.com wrote:
Here in California we have green fire engines (US Forestry) and red (burning) trees! At least in the summer. ;-P
Really? Our trees burn yellow and black. Of course, I'm in OC, which is just too conservative to do anything right....
<RBFG>
mhr
Little substance .. I have live and still working system with ..
- Centos with +100 users, ldap (LAM), sendmail (or postfix), web, samba, netatalk, dhcp .. all with certificates on a bunch of dell 1950 and MD1000. Because it is scalable, stable 24/7 and for 100 users+ worth all the time spending configuring it. The only problem with this setup are kernel updates.. the only time I bring down the servers ;-)
- Clarkconnect (or SME) for small lab, because it is all done in 30 minutes and then you can easily give a "miniadmin" access to the lab manager. They make nice, small, safe effective Gateway or server. They are not a sysadmin (shell) playing ground, 95% of the work is done from the web interface, a little bit like webmin. Clark is commercial but inexpensive and well supported. SME is free, but the config system looks to much like the old Netinfo system from NextStep .. bring back bad memory.
Try Clark, if it not what you are looking for, go with CentOS or RH they are very stable and effective OS for server. It will require you more time to get it all working properly. Sure you can install and create accounts in /etc/passwd in minutes .. but if you want all the goodies and security (SSL, email, sasl, LDAP, backup, raid ..) you are in for lots of fun (work).
- Workstations, Fedora or Ubuntu .. because I like having the most up2date versions and goodies on my desktop for free.
RedHat has nice educational discount, if I remember $50/workstation and $200/server
Bonne chance, alain
-----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces@centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces@centos.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Angenendt Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:08 AM To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [CentOS] School Server Setup]
Your case up there looks a bit different: It is easy to say that those are your favourite flavors - but can you substantiate that somehow? Especially as ClarkConnect and SME are based (or at least were based) on CentOS but mostly lack a large community behind them -> Vendor
Lock-
In.
Ralph
Alain Terriault, Mr. wrote:
Okay, I can see where you are getting with Clarkconnect and SME. That really might be easier for people who aren't into administrating servers.
- Workstations, Fedora or Ubuntu .. because I like having the most
up2date versions and goodies on my desktop for free.
But this contradicts what you said above. If you want hasslefree administration for the one or two servers, you don't want to lose that on a desktop which you have to update at least once a year and where updates can give you headaches because something major changed.
Giving out stable Desktops is one of the things where CentOS really shines. And: These Desktops are for research and work, not for having the latest and greatest software.
Ralph
Alain Terriault <> scribbled on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:55 PM:
How do you mean "big sophisticated setup"?
I think CentOS is rather easy to setup, in fact CentOS was the OS of choice when I first started with linux. I'm not fishing for flaming or trolling, just curious on why you think like you do. 8-)
Hi Harry,
Has much has I like Centos and RH for big sophisticated setup, it would not be my first choice for your project.
For 25 systems and if you want this done without spending to much time, Clarkconnect would by my first choice for server side OS (#2 would be SME).
For me CentOS x64 is #1 choice for enterprise (+500 users with Terabytes of storage ) sever solution. If you have little experience configuring a RH server, get ready to spend lots of time getting everything going as nicely as Clarkconnect does it.
For the clients side, my favorite flavor of Linux is Ubuntu.
cheers, alain
Harry Sukumar wrote:
Hello All!!!
I was wondering if you can help me little bit….
I am trying to help (voluntary service) a country side school (Aboriginal community) in Northern Queensland Australia setup lab infrastructure, it’s a very remote school and they don’t have enough funds to go commercial
The school has only till grade 6
They have 25 machines that was bought out of the government grant but none of the machines come with windows
I was asked by the school president to setup lab infrastructure currently they have Internet (Dynamic) with only two machines connected
I have asked them to change the plan to Static IP address which I presume will be done some time this week
I have decided to go Linux on all the machines including the server
Could some one please cast some light on how I can carry on with this project, I am not sure where to start and I am fairly new to Linux and system administration world
Currently what’s in my mind is to setup fedora on all desktop and CentOS5 as my server with following services configured
Proxy-squid (all the traffic to pass through)
Firewall
Apache
Squirrel mail
DNS
DHCP
I am not sure where to start with this project
Your help will be highly appreciated by the little kids who have never even touched a computer before in there life!!!
--
Many Thanks
Harry
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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Sorin@Gmail sorin.srbu@gmail.com wrote:
Alain Terriault <> scribbled on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:55 PM:
How do you mean "big sophisticated setup"?
I think CentOS is rather easy to setup, in fact CentOS was the OS of choice when I first started with linux. I'm not fishing for flaming or trolling, just curious on why you think like you do. 8-)
'ear, 'ear!
I dabbled in Linux for nine years, including a six month semi-concerted effort to use SuSE/Novell Linux (for which I paid $40), none of which did it for me. CentOS, in one month, impressed me enough to spend almost $400 to upgrade my primary home desktop hardware so I could install CentOS and run a Windows VMWare guest on it, and I've never been more delighted with a small system with huge capabilities. It was (and is) easy to install and easy to manage, and the only real trouble I've had with the system has come from other, non-CentOS related areas (including all the things that I thought were CentOS problems...).
Them's my $0.03 (inflation, y'know...).
mhr
I realise linux distros are rather a "religious" matter where each individual/user/sysadmin/whatever think that "their" particular distro is the best. 8-)
With that said, in my case, chosing CentOS was actually a no-brainer, as our department had already settled with RHEL3/4 for application reasons years ago. Furthermore, since CentOS is a binary compatible with RHEL, and looks and feel the same (minus the RHEL-logos), it's also easy to test things out with a free OS first.
I however really started out with Fedora Core for a short while, but was flustered with the fast update-schedule. Anyway, I don't even know or remember how I found out about CentOS, only that I felt this strange rush, much like when you put a nice well-worn-in suit or something and it doesn't chafe anywhere. I never bothered looking for another distro after finding CentOS.
I even installed it for the beloved mother after I found a potential rootkit on her WinXP Home Ed-machine. I had had it at that point... After installing CentOS5 for her, I applied the Redmond theme and let her play around for a bit with it. Worked like a charm. The hd died on her machine a few months back so I reinstalled it for her again, this time w/o the Redmond theme, and it still works like a charm for her.
From a user-perspective, if a 50ish-year-old woman with no interest in OS:es (or
anything IT for that matter) can use CentOS without a hitch, then neither should anybody else. It just works, which I rather like, to put it mildly... If there ever was a linux-success story, this is the one.
[advocate mode]If you like CentOS, please buy a RHEL entitlement whenever possible. Remember, if there is no RHEL, there won't be a CentOS either, and CentOS is too good to loose.[/advocate mode]
That's my 3 oere. 8-)
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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Sorin@Gmail sorin.srbu@gmail.com wrote:
Alain Terriault <> scribbled on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:55 PM:
How do you mean "big sophisticated setup"?
I think CentOS is rather easy to setup, in fact CentOS was the OS of choice when I first started with linux. I'm not fishing for flaming or trolling, just curious on why you think like you do. 8-)
'ear, 'ear!
I dabbled in Linux for nine years, including a six month semi-concerted effort to use SuSE/Novell Linux (for which I paid $40), none of which did it for me. CentOS, in one month, impressed me enough to spend almost $400 to upgrade my primary home desktop hardware so I could install CentOS and run a Windows VMWare guest on it, and I've never been more delighted with a small system with huge capabilities. It was (and is) easy to install and easy to manage, and the only real trouble I've had with the system has come from other, non-CentOS related areas (including all the things that I thought were CentOS problems...).
Them's my $0.03 (inflation, y'know...).
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