I saw the latest update announcements on the announce list, so I ran "yum check-update" and did not see seamonkey in the list. Which I guess makes sense, since it's a name change from mozilla. However, devhelp is in the list, and "yum update devhelp" pulls in seamonkey as a dependency.
This seems like a sort of backdoor way to get seamonkey onto the system. Did these packages really come from the upstream this way? What if I had not had devhelp installed? Do I need to replace mozilla or not?
Aside to Dag: The galeon package from rpmforge has an version dependency on the specific mozilla package that's being replaced by seamonkey (rather than a greater-or-equal dependency), so it's not presently possible to install both seamonkey and galeon with yum.
On Sun, 6 Aug 2006, Bart Schaefer wrote:
Aside to Dag: The galeon package from rpmforge has an version dependency on the specific mozilla package that's being replaced by seamonkey (rather than a greater-or-equal dependency), so it's not presently possible to install both seamonkey and galeon with yum.
The problem is that a newer mozilla broke galeon a couple of times so an exact match was required. Maybe that is no longer the case (it certainly was not that big of a problem on RHEL as the mozilla packages with RH7, RH8 and RH9 and FC)
Kind regards, -- dag wieers, dag@wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [all I want is a warm bed and a kind word and unlimited power]
Bart Schaefer wrote:
I saw the latest update announcements on the announce list, so I ran "yum check-update" and did not see seamonkey in the list. Which I guess makes sense, since it's a name change from mozilla. However, devhelp is in the list, and "yum update devhelp" pulls in seamonkey as a dependency.
This seems like a sort of backdoor way to get seamonkey onto the system. Did these packages really come from the upstream this way? What if I had not had devhelp installed? Do I need to replace mozilla or not?
Aside to Dag: The galeon package from rpmforge has an version dependency on the specific mozilla package that's being replaced by seamonkey (rather than a greater-or-equal dependency), so it's not presently possible to install both seamonkey and galeon with yum. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
I don't know what you SHOULD do but what I DID do worked very well:
------------------------------------------------- [root@mavis yum]# yum check-update Loading "fastestmirror" plugin Loading "protectbase" plugin Setting up repositories Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile Reading repository metadata in from local files Excluding Packages in global exclude list Finished 97 packages excluded due to repository protections
devhelp.i386 0.10-0.2.el4 update devhelp-devel.i386 0.10-0.2.el4 update gnupg.i386 1.2.6-6 update libtiff.i386 3.6.1-12 update libtiff-devel.i386 3.6.1-12 update [root@mavis yum]# yum update Loading "fastestmirror" plugin Loading "protectbase" plugin Setting up Update Process Setting up repositories Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile Reading repository metadata in from local files Excluding Packages in global exclude list Finished 97 packages excluded due to repository protections Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for seamonkey-nspr to pack into transaction set. seamonkey-nspr-1.0.3-0.el 100% |=========================| 3.8 kB 00:00 ---> Package seamonkey-nspr.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for seamonkey-js-debugger to pack into transaction set. seamonkey-js-debugger-1.0 100% |=========================| 3.7 kB 00:00 ---> Package seamonkey-js-debugger.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for devhelp to pack into transaction set. devhelp-0.10-0.2.el4.i386 100% |=========================| 15 kB 00:00 ---> Package devhelp.i386 0:0.10-0.2.el4 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for devhelp-devel to pack into transaction set. devhelp-devel-0.10-0.2.el 100% |=========================| 5.8 kB 00:00 ---> Package devhelp-devel.i386 0:0.10-0.2.el4 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for seamonkey-nss-devel to pack into transaction set. seamonkey-nss-devel-1.0.3 100% |=========================| 24 kB 00:00 ---> Package seamonkey-nss-devel.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for seamonkey-mail to pack into transaction set. seamonkey-mail-1.0.3-0.el 100% |=========================| 12 kB 00:00 ---> Package seamonkey-mail.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for seamonkey-chat to pack into transaction set. seamonkey-chat-1.0.3-0.el 100% |=========================| 3.7 kB 00:00 ---> Package seamonkey-chat.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for seamonkey-dom-inspector to pack into transaction set. seamonkey-dom-inspector-1 100% |=========================| 5.1 kB 00:00 ---> Package seamonkey-dom-inspector.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for libtiff-devel to pack into transaction set. libtiff-devel-3.6.1-12.i3 100% |=========================| 31 kB 00:00 ---> Package libtiff-devel.i386 0:3.6.1-12 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for seamonkey-nss to pack into transaction set. seamonkey-nss-1.0.3-0.el4 100% |=========================| 5.5 kB 00:00 ---> Package seamonkey-nss.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for seamonkey to pack into transaction set. seamonkey-1.0.3-0.el4.1.c 100% |=========================| 62 kB 00:00 ---> Package seamonkey.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for gnupg to pack into transaction set. gnupg-1.2.6-6.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 16 kB 00:00 ---> Package gnupg.i386 0:1.2.6-6 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for libtiff to pack into transaction set. libtiff-3.6.1-12.i386.rpm 100% |=========================| 13 kB 00:00 ---> Package libtiff.i386 0:3.6.1-12 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for seamonkey-devel to pack into transaction set. seamonkey-devel-1.0.3-0.e 100% |=========================| 365 kB 00:01 ---> Package seamonkey-devel.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for seamonkey-nspr-devel to pack into transaction set. seamonkey-nspr-devel-1.0. 100% |=========================| 13 kB 00:00 ---> Package seamonkey-nspr-devel.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 set to be updated --> Running transaction check
Dependencies Resolved
============================================================================= Package Arch Version Repository Size ============================================================================= Installing: seamonkey i386 1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 update 8.7 M replacing mozilla.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4
seamonkey-chat i386 1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 update 248 k replacing mozilla-chat.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4
seamonkey-devel i386 1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 update 3.5 M replacing mozilla-devel.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4
seamonkey-dom-inspector i386 1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 update 164 k replacing mozilla-dom-inspector.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4
seamonkey-js-debugger i386 1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 update 208 k replacing mozilla-js-debugger.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4
seamonkey-mail i386 1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 update 1.8 M replacing mozilla-mail.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4
seamonkey-nspr i386 1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 update 98 k replacing mozilla-nspr.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4
seamonkey-nspr-devel i386 1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 update 175 k replacing mozilla-nspr-devel.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4
seamonkey-nss i386 1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 update 693 k replacing mozilla-nss.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4
seamonkey-nss-devel i386 1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 update 413 k replacing mozilla-nss-devel.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4
Updating: devhelp i386 0.10-0.2.el4 update 136 k devhelp-devel i386 0.10-0.2.el4 update 10 k gnupg i386 1.2.6-6 update 1.6 M libtiff i386 3.6.1-12 update 257 k libtiff-devel i386 3.6.1-12 update 804 k
Transaction Summary ============================================================================= Install 10 Package(s) Update 5 Package(s) Remove 0 Package(s) Total download size: 19 M Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: (1/15): seamonkey-nspr-1. 100% |=========================| 98 kB 00:00 (2/15): seamonkey-js-debu 100% |=========================| 208 kB 00:00 (3/15): devhelp-0.10-0.2. 100% |=========================| 136 kB 00:00 (4/15): devhelp-devel-0.1 100% |=========================| 10 kB 00:00 (5/15): seamonkey-nss-dev 100% |=========================| 413 kB 00:01 (6/15): seamonkey-mail-1. 100% |=========================| 1.8 MB 00:06 (7/15): seamonkey-chat-1. 100% |=========================| 248 kB 00:00 (8/15): seamonkey-dom-ins 100% |=========================| 164 kB 00:00 (9/15): libtiff-devel-3.6 100% |=========================| 804 kB 00:02 (10/15): seamonkey-nss-1. 100% |=========================| 693 kB 00:02 (11/15): seamonkey-1.0.3- 100% |=========================| 8.7 MB 00:28 (12/15): gnupg-1.2.6-6.i3 100% |=========================| 1.6 MB 00:05 (13/15): libtiff-3.6.1-12 100% |=========================| 257 kB 00:00 (14/15): seamonkey-devel- 100% |=========================| 3.5 MB 00:11 (15/15): seamonkey-nspr-d 100% |=========================| 175 kB 00:00 Running Transaction Test Finished Transaction Test Transaction Test Succeeded Running Transaction Installing: seamonkey-nspr ####################### [ 1/30] Installing: seamonkey-nss ####################### [ 2/30] Installing: seamonkey ####################### [ 3/30] Updating : libtiff ####################### [ 4/30] Updating : devhelp ####################### [ 5/30] Installing: seamonkey-nspr-devel ####################### [ 6/30] Installing: seamonkey-nss-devel ####################### [ 7/30] Installing: seamonkey-mail ####################### [ 8/30] Installing: seamonkey-js-debugger ####################### [ 9/30] Updating : devhelp-devel ####################### [10/30] Installing: seamonkey-chat ####################### [11/30] Installing: seamonkey-dom-inspector ####################### [12/30] Updating : libtiff-devel ####################### [13/30] Updating : gnupg ####################### [14/30] Installing: seamonkey-devel ####################### [15/30] Removing : mozilla-nspr ####################### [16/30] Removing : mozilla-js-debugger ####################### [17/30] Cleanup : devhelp ####################### [18/30] Cleanup : devhelp-devel ####################### [19/30] Removing : mozilla-nss-devel ####################### [20/30] Removing : mozilla-mail ####################### [21/30] Removing : mozilla-chat ####################### [22/30] Removing : mozilla-dom-inspector ####################### [23/30] Cleanup : libtiff-devel ####################### [24/30] Removing : mozilla-nss ####################### [25/30] Removing : mozilla ####################### [26/30] Cleanup : gnupg ####################### [27/30] Cleanup : libtiff ####################### [28/30] Removing : mozilla-devel ####################### [29/30] Removing : mozilla-nspr-devel ####################### [30/30]
Installed: seamonkey.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 seamonkey-chat.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 seamonkey-devel.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 seamonkey-dom-inspector.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 seamonkey-js-debugger.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 seamonkey-mail.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 seamonkey-nspr.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 seamonkey-nspr-devel.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 seamonkey-nss.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 seamonkey-nss-devel.i386 0:1.0.3-0.el4.1.centos4 Updated: devhelp.i386 0:0.10-0.2.el4 devhelp-devel.i386 0:0.10-0.2.el4 gnupg.i386 0:1.2.6-6 libtiff.i386 0:3.6.1-12 libtiff-devel.i386 0:3.6.1-12 Replaced: mozilla.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4 mozilla-chat.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4 mozilla-devel.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4 mozilla-dom-inspector.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4 mozilla-js-debugger.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4 mozilla-mail.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4 mozilla-nspr.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4 mozilla-nspr-devel.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4 mozilla-nss.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4 mozilla-nss-devel.i386 37:1.7.13-1.4.1.centos4 Complete! [root@mavis yum]# --------------------------------------------------------- Address book, preferences, mail & news, bookmarks, everything made the trip. The only vestige of mozilla is the homemade desktop shortcut to /usr/bin/mozilla which still works with SeaMonkey. Go figure.
On 8/6/06, Robert kerplop@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Bart Schaefer wrote:
What if I had not had devhelp installed? Do I need to replace mozilla or not?
I don't know what you SHOULD do but what I DID do worked very well:
That was actually a rhetorical question based on the previous "what if".
Address book, preferences, mail & news, bookmarks, everything made the trip. The only vestige of mozilla is the homemade desktop shortcut to /usr/bin/mozilla which still works with SeaMonkey. Go figure.
If you try an "rpm -ql seamonkey" you'll see that /usr/bin/mozilla is still the executable. The main thing that changed is that the library is now /usr/lib/mozilla-seamonkey-1.0.3/.
On 8/6/06, Bart Schaefer barton.schaefer@gmail.com wrote:
I saw the latest update announcements on the announce list, so I ran "yum check-update" and did not see seamonkey in the list. Which I guess makes sense, since it's a name change from mozilla. However, devhelp is in the list, and "yum update devhelp" pulls in seamonkey as a dependency.
This seems like a sort of backdoor way to get seamonkey onto the system. Did these packages really come from the upstream this way? What if I had not had devhelp installed? Do I need to replace mozilla or not?
Seamonkey is the new mozilla, which both obsoletes the old mozilla packages, and provides mozilla = 37:1.8. The updated devhelp does indeed require this version of mozilla, and shipped with the requirement from upstream.
On 8/6/06, Jim Perrin jperrin@gmail.com wrote:
Seamonkey is the new mozilla, which both obsoletes the old mozilla packages, and provides mozilla = 37:1.8.
Yes, I understand that part. I was more expressing surprise that there isn't some OTHER mechanism from the upstream by which to force mozilla to be replaced with seamonkey.
Bart Schaefer wrote:
On 8/6/06, Jim Perrin jperrin@gmail.com wrote:
Seamonkey is the new mozilla, which both obsoletes the old mozilla packages, and provides mozilla = 37:1.8.
Yes, I understand that part. I was more expressing surprise that there isn't some OTHER mechanism from the upstream by which to force mozilla to be replaced with seamonkey.
yum --obsoletes update
that should do-the-right-thing. The issue is that yum will only list for update, a newer E-V-R for a package with the same name only. but using the --obsoletes flag, gets yum checking for packages that might obsolete something already installed, and considering them for updates as well.
On Sun, 2006-08-06 at 21:46 +0100, Karanbir Singh wrote:
Bart Schaefer wrote:
On 8/6/06, Jim Perrin jperrin@gmail.com wrote:
Seamonkey is the new mozilla, which both obsoletes the old mozilla packages, and provides mozilla = 37:1.8.
Yes, I understand that part. I was more expressing surprise that there isn't some OTHER mechanism from the upstream by which to force mozilla to be replaced with seamonkey.
yum --obsoletes update
that should do-the-right-thing. The issue is that yum will only list for update, a newer E-V-R for a package with the same name only. but using the --obsoletes flag, gets yum checking for packages that might obsolete something already installed, and considering them for updates as well.
Also working is what I posted on the Seamonkey CESA in the first place:
yum upgrade
(Karanbir, I know it is depreciated ... but it still works in this version :)
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