Ok, so another apc UPS 3000 complained about bad batteries, and I changed them out from the same order that I'd gotten in a couple of months ago.
The APC SmartUPS 3000 started connecting and disconnecting the USB connection. I brought down and up the service, no joy.
Finally, after googling, I found a *completely* undocumented way to start apcupsd, that a few years ago someone was told to try, so as to log debugging info, to send to a developer: apcupsd -d1000 -T I've just skimmed the man page, and the online docs, and there is *no* mention of either parm. I found nothing in the logs.
However, when I kill -HUPped it, and restarted the service, the USB stuff had stopped. Ok, one problem down.
The change battery light's still on. I'll see if it still is in the morning. One thing I did note, while skimming the docs, and comparing my results from apcaccess, was that while the nominal voltage for the APC SmartUPS 3000 is 48V, the new batteries are showing 55.4V. Anyone have any idea if this could be why the replace battery light's on - it's more than 5V difference?
mark
m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
...that while the nominal voltage for the APC SmartUPS 3000 is 48V, the new batteries are showing 55.4V.
lead acid batteries are 2.1-2.15V per cell when fully charged, and the trickle charging float voltage is more like 2.3V per cell. 2.3 * 6 cells/battery * 4 batteries == 55 V
to read the batteries charge state, you would need to disconnect them from the charger(UPS) for about 4-6 hours before reading the voltage, this lets the surface charge dissipate. After doing this, you should see 12.6-12.8V per 12v battery, or 50.4 to 51.2V for your stack of 4 * 12V. All these voltages assume 68-72F battery temperature. 48V is nearly totally discharged
on 3-2-2010 2:13 PM m.roth@5-cent.us spake the following:
Ok, so another apc UPS 3000 complained about bad batteries, and I changed them out from the same order that I'd gotten in a couple of months ago.
The APC SmartUPS 3000 started connecting and disconnecting the USB connection. I brought down and up the service, no joy.
Finally, after googling, I found a *completely* undocumented way to start apcupsd, that a few years ago someone was told to try, so as to log debugging info, to send to a developer: apcupsd -d1000 -T I've just skimmed the man page, and the online docs, and there is *no* mention of either parm. I found nothing in the logs.
However, when I kill -HUPped it, and restarted the service, the USB stuff had stopped. Ok, one problem down.
The change battery light's still on. I'll see if it still is in the morning. One thing I did note, while skimming the docs, and comparing my results from apcaccess, was that while the nominal voltage for the APC SmartUPS 3000 is 48V, the new batteries are showing 55.4V. Anyone have any idea if this could be why the replace battery light's on - it's more than 5V difference?
mark
The light might stay on until either the next battery test, or re-setting the stored battery change date. I never have been able to get the date changed from *nix. I usually used a windows laptop with APC software installed. It can probably be done, just never spent a long time trying.
on 3-2-2010 2:13 PM m.roth@5-cent.us spake the following:
Ok, so another apc UPS 3000 complained about bad batteries, and I changed them out from the same order that I'd gotten in a couple of months ago.
The APC SmartUPS 3000 started connecting and disconnecting the USB connection. I brought down and up the service, no joy.
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The change battery light's still on. I'll see if it still is in the morning. One thing I did note, while skimming the docs, and comparing my results from apcaccess, was that while the nominal voltage for the APC SmartUPS 3000 is 48V, the new batteries are showing 55.4V. Anyone have any idea if this could be why the replace battery light's on - it's more than 5V difference?
The light might stay on until either the next battery test, or re-setting the stored battery change date. I never have been able to get the date changed from *nix. I usually used a windows laptop with APC software installed. It can probably be done, just never spent a long time trying.
Thanks, but no joy. I had no problem using apcupsd to reset the battery change date... but that didn't do it. I've done numerous battery tests, both from apctest, with apcupsd down, and by pushing the button.
*sigh*
We've ordered another set of batteries for one of these, this time the exact same make and model that were in them, though still not the full OEM cartridge, and we'll see if it does need HR (high rate) batteries. If so, then what was advertised as a replacement kit is untrue.
mark
on 3-16-2010 8:43 AM m.roth@5-cent.us spake the following:
on 3-2-2010 2:13 PM m.roth@5-cent.us spake the following:
Ok, so another apc UPS 3000 complained about bad batteries, and I changed them out from the same order that I'd gotten in a couple of months ago.
The APC SmartUPS 3000 started connecting and disconnecting the USB connection. I brought down and up the service, no joy.
<snip> >> The change battery light's still on. I'll see if it still is in the >> morning. One thing I did note, while skimming the docs, and comparing my >> results from apcaccess, was that while the nominal voltage for the APC >> SmartUPS 3000 is 48V, the new batteries are showing 55.4V. Anyone have >> any idea if this could be why the replace battery light's on - it's more >> than 5V difference? >> > The light might stay on until either the next battery test, or re-setting > the stored battery change date. I never have been able to get the date > changed from *nix. I usually used a windows laptop with APC software > installed. It can probably be done, just never spent a long time trying.
Thanks, but no joy. I had no problem using apcupsd to reset the battery change date... but that didn't do it. I've done numerous battery tests, both from apctest, with apcupsd down, and by pushing the button.
*sigh*
We've ordered another set of batteries for one of these, this time the exact same make and model that were in them, though still not the full OEM cartridge, and we'll see if it does need HR (high rate) batteries. If so, then what was advertised as a replacement kit is untrue.
mark
Yeah... Been burned by OEM batteries in the past... Usually buy direct from APC anymore... Not worth it
Scott Silva wrote:
on 3-16-2010 8:43 AM m.roth@5-cent.us spake the following:
on 3-2-2010 2:13 PM m.roth@5-cent.us spake the following:
Ok, so another apc UPS 3000 complained about bad batteries, and I changed them out from the same order that I'd gotten in a couple of months ago.
The APC SmartUPS 3000 started connecting and disconnecting the USB connection. I brought down and up the service, no joy.
<snip>
The change battery light's still on. I'll see if it still is in the morning. One thing I did note, while skimming the docs, and comparing my results from apcaccess, was that while the nominal voltage for the APC SmartUPS 3000 is 48V, the new batteries are showing 55.4V. Anyone have any idea if this could be why the replace battery light's on - it's more than 5V difference?
The light might stay on until either the next battery test, or re-setting the stored battery change date. I never have been able to get the date changed from *nix. I usually used a windows laptop with APC software installed. It can probably be done, just never spent a long time trying.
Thanks, but no joy. I had no problem using apcupsd to reset the battery change date... but that didn't do it. I've done numerous battery tests, both from apctest, with apcupsd down, and by pushing the button.
*sigh*
We've ordered another set of batteries for one of these, this time the exact same make and model that were in them, though still not the full OEM cartridge, and we'll see if it does need HR (high rate) batteries. If so, then what was advertised as a replacement kit is untrue.
markYeah... Been burned by OEM batteries in the past... Usually buy direct from APC anymore... Not worth it
I don't have a 3000, but I've got a few SU2200's and a pile of SU700's. I get all my replacement batteries from Batteries Plus (Werker brand) and have never had a problem. The replace battery light stays on until I do a battery test (let it charge for 24 hours, then test it via the button).
speaking of UPS's...
I -almost- ordered $300 worth of UPS replacement batteries today, but on a hunch, I swapped electronic modules with a twin UPS (the ERM is hotswappable on these 2U 3000VA units), and lo and behold, its the ERM thats faulty, not the battery pack. found a fleabay ERM for $250 (OEM wants $1000). I have 3 of them, all about 5 years old, with 3 2U expansion battery packs, for a total of 9 battery packs, $2000-3000 to replace all of them.
speaking of UPS's...
I -almost- ordered $300 worth of UPS replacement batteries today, but on a hunch, I swapped electronic modules with a twin UPS (the ERM is hotswappable on these 2U 3000VA units), and lo and behold, its the ERM thats faulty, not the battery pack. found a fleabay ERM for $250 (OEM wants $1000). I have 3 of them, all about 5 years old, with 3 2U expansion battery packs, for a total of 9 battery packs, $2000-3000 to replace all of them.
Um, well.... The beginning of the year, we had a utility shutdown for repairs, so we shut all our servers down, and the UPSs as well. Brought them back up after the long weekend... and it took over a month for the red light to come back. Watch out that the one you swapped doesn't come back in a few weeks.
mark
m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
speaking of UPS's...
I -almost- ordered $300 worth of UPS replacement batteries today, but on a hunch, I swapped electronic modules with a twin UPS (the ERM is hotswappable on these 2U 3000VA units), and lo and behold, its the ERM thats faulty, not the battery pack. found a fleabay ERM for $250 (OEM wants $1000). I have 3 of them, all about 5 years old, with 3 2U expansion battery packs, for a total of 9 battery packs, $2000-3000 to replace all of them.
Um, well.... The beginning of the year, we had a utility shutdown for repairs, so we shut all our servers down, and the UPSs as well. Brought them back up after the long weekend... and it took over a month for the red light to come back. Watch out that the one you swapped doesn't come back in a few weeks.
when I put the suspect ERM module in the other UPS it faulted. when I put the 'good' ERM back in its own UPS it was good. when I reinstalled the suspect ERM in the original UPS, it faulted.
btw, fwiw, these are HP R3000XR UPS's http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantstorage/power-protection/..., They have been quite good for me, this one ERM failure at 5 years old has been their only problem. with the battery expansion bay, they have like 20 minutes at full load (but I only have like 30-40% load on them). high efficiency, they run cool.
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