Raymond Lillard ryl@sonic.net wrote:
The statement is generally quoted without context as it is here. <<
Correct. Olsen is also famous for saying "People will get tired of managing personal computers and will want instead terminals, maybe with windows." (by which he meant, a windowing graphical terminal, a la X). He was right about that; witness the popular disenchantment with MS Windows and its endless cycle of patching, upgrades, malware removal and registry cleanup, and the fascination with cloud services accessed by lightweight clients like netbooks, tablets and phones. That's been good for the Linux and Centos communities, who have provided low-maintenance services for clients both on the desktop and in the cloud.
I venture to say that DEC was an influence on many of the old hands here and on other lists. The PDP-8 was the first computer I actually got my hands on (as opposed to being walked through the machine room and told "Don't touch anything! This is where your code gets compiled and run - careful with the card deck on top of that tape drive behind you!"). And later, I found myself teaching business students to program on a PDP-11/70 running RSTS/E. DEC was certainly heavily influential in our industry, both directly and indirectly, and Olsen was - of course - hugely influential on DEC.
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Les Bell wrote:
Raymond Lillard ryl@sonic.net wrote:
The statement is generally quoted without context as it is here. <<
Correct. Olsen is also famous for saying "People will get tired of managing personal computers and will want instead terminals, maybe with windows." (by which he meant, a windowing graphical terminal, a la X). He was right about that; witness the popular disenchantment with MS Windows and its endless cycle of patching, upgrades, malware removal and registry cleanup, and the fascination with cloud services accessed by lightweight clients like netbooks, tablets and phones. That's been good for the Linux and Centos communities, who have provided low-maintenance services for clients both on the desktop and in the cloud.
I worked for Digital from 1984 to 1998 (a little after Compaq bought DEC) and I heartily agree that Ken had a massive impact on the face of computing today. The engineering and technical folks absolutely loved him.
OTOH, it was my impression that the sales and marketing folks frequently cringed when he spoke in public. In addition to the quote above, he also declared that "UNIX is snake oil". He later claimed to have been misquoted, but given the state of UNIX at the time I can't say I disagree entirely!
Much as I love Linux, I'd still prefer to be running VMS on an x86 desktop box!
On Tuesday, February 08, 2011 08:21:38 pm Jay Leafey wrote:
Much as I love Linux, I'd still prefer to be running VMS on an x86 desktop box!
1.) Get an OpenVMS hobbyist media kit and license for OpenVMS/VAX. 2.) Install simh from a third-party CentOS repository, or from source. ( simh.trailing-edge.com ) 3.) Install OpenVMS/VAX on the simulated MicroVAX simh provides. 4.) Activate your hobbyist license PAK. 5.) Enjoy VMS-ness. (see http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html for a little more)
Doing that here to re-learn VMS after all these years, since we have a large high-resolution scanner system that is currently using a VAXstation 4000 to drive, via CAMAC-over-SCSI and IEEE-488-over-RS-232, a 7,000 pound microdensitometer aka 'the Guide star Automatic Measuring MAchine' (GAMMA). We're wanting to convert the VAX Fortran and IDL code to run on a CentOS box, possibly a recently donated 20-processor SGI Altix 3700, and possibly a smaller x86/x64_86 box, or even one of the many SPARC boxen I have around here...