I just updated firefox, here at home... and when I fired it back up, *all* of my tabs were gone. Every one (all couple dozen...)
mark, CentOS 6.5
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 7:41 PM, mark m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
I just updated firefox, here at home... and when I fired it back up, *all* of my tabs were gone. Every one (all couple dozen...)
mark, CentOS 6.5
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Me too and I had lots of tabs :(
op 25-09-14 02:46, Tom Bishop schreef:
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 7:41 PM, mark m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
I just updated firefox, here at home... and when I fired it back up, *all* of my tabs were gone. Every one (all couple dozen...)
mark, CentOS 6.5
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Me too and I had lots of tabs :( _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Hello,
when I launched Firefox31 at one site yesterday, I got a dialog saying: " It's been a long time since you used Firefox, would you like to clean it up? After the "clean up", I automaticaly got a directory " Old Firefox Data " on the desktop. In there my old Firefox profile is stored.
Greetings, J.
op 25-09-14 09:01, Johan Vermeulen schreef:
op 25-09-14 02:46, Tom Bishop schreef:
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 7:41 PM, mark m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
I just updated firefox, here at home... and when I fired it back up, *all* of my tabs were gone. Every one (all couple dozen...)
mark, CentOS 6.5
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Me too and I had lots of tabs :( _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Hello,
when I launched Firefox31 at one site yesterday, I got a dialog saying: " It's been a long time since you used Firefox, would you like to clean it up? After the "clean up", I automaticaly got a directory " Old Firefox Data " on the desktop. In there my old Firefox profile is stored.
Greetings, J.
CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
and I had a lot of users who had the title bar disappear. When you right-click in the white space near the top, you can check/uncheck.
On 09/25/14 03:09, Johan Vermeulen wrote:
op 25-09-14 09:01, Johan Vermeulen schreef:
op 25-09-14 02:46, Tom Bishop schreef:
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 7:41 PM, mark m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
I just updated firefox, here at home... and when I fired it back up, *all* of my tabs were gone. Every one (all couple dozen...)
when I launched Firefox31 at one site yesterday, I got a dialog saying: " It's been a long time since you used Firefox, would you like to clean it up? After the "clean up", I automaticaly got a directory " Old Firefox Data " on the desktop. In there my old Firefox profile is stored.
and I had a lot of users who had the title bar disappear. When you right-click in the white space near the top, you can check/uncheck.
Yup, forgot that: no tool bar at all, no menus....
mark
op 25-09-14 13:46, mark schreef:
On 09/25/14 03:09, Johan Vermeulen wrote:
op 25-09-14 09:01, Johan Vermeulen schreef:
op 25-09-14 02:46, Tom Bishop schreef:
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 7:41 PM, mark m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
I just updated firefox, here at home... and when I fired it back up, *all* of my tabs were gone. Every one (all couple dozen...)
when I launched Firefox31 at one site yesterday, I got a dialog saying: " It's been a long time since you used Firefox, would you like to clean it up? After the "clean up", I automaticaly got a directory " Old Firefox Data " on the desktop. In there my old Firefox profile is stored.
and I had a lot of users who had the title bar disappear. When you right-click in the white space near the top, you can check/uncheck.
Yup, forgot that: no tool bar at all, no menus....
mark
Then maybe you are stuck in full-screen mode? Press f11 to exit that.
grts, Johan
From: Johan Vermeulen jvermeulen@cawdekempen.be
op 25-09-14 13:46, mark schreef:
Yup, forgot that: no tool bar at all, no menus....
markThen maybe you are stuck in full-screen mode? Press f11 to exit that.
grts, Johan
You can press the "Alt" key to show the menu.
JD
On Thu, September 25, 2014 8:59 am, John Doe wrote:
From: Johan Vermeulen jvermeulen@cawdekempen.be
op 25-09-14 13:46, mark schreef:
Yup, forgot that: no tool bar at all, no menus....
markThen maybe you are stuck in full-screen mode? Press f11 to exit that.
grts, Johan
You can press the "Alt" key to show the menu.
Indeed, with some new releases of some software we use you just have to learn everything from scratch. I understand the frustration of people who got used to least time consuming way to use it, then all of a sudden, it's all different. I don't remember where I heard this, yet I would prefer the developers to follow this:
Don't change anything unless it is absolutely necessary.
(it was excellent attitude to programming I was doing once: this way you diminish the chance to break something that works...)
Valeri
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Thu, September 25, 2014 8:59 am, John Doe wrote:
From: Johan Vermeulen jvermeulen@cawdekempen.be
op 25-09-14 13:46, mark schreef:
Yup, forgot that: no tool bar at all, no menus....
Then maybe you are stuck in full-screen mode? Press f11 to exit that.
No. 99.44% of the time, I'm *NEVER* in fullscreen mode. All these damn developers seem to be thinking of their idiot, er, smart phones, and *not* about the majority of us using real computers with real monitors.
You can press the "Alt" key to show the menu.
It is *completely* unacceptable to release an update that appears to ignore the configuration files, and doesn't even *show* the menu, which would absolutely freak out an "ordinary user".
And to lose the tabs! I am *not* going to update firefox at work till they fix this - I have stuff I need. <snip> mark
On 9/25/2014 8:13 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Thu, September 25, 2014 8:59 am, John Doe wrote:
From: Johan Vermeulen jvermeulen@cawdekempen.be
op 25-09-14 13:46, mark schreef:
Yup, forgot that: no tool bar at all, no menus....
Then maybe you are stuck in full-screen mode? Press f11 to exit that.
No. 99.44% of the time, I'm *NEVER* in fullscreen mode. All these damn developers seem to be thinking of their idiot, er, smart phones, and *not* about the majority of us using real computers with real monitors.
You can press the "Alt" key to show the menu.
It is *completely* unacceptable to release an update that appears to ignore the configuration files, and doesn't even *show* the menu, which would absolutely freak out an "ordinary user".
And to lose the tabs! I am *not* going to update firefox at work till they fix this - I have stuff I need.
<snip>
Switch to Palemoon or Qupzilla, firefox has "improved" itself to the point where it's just not a choice anymore, let alone a good one. I've been using Palemoon and it's been a damn good choice for me... ymmv
Find something else that works for you, there are other choices. It's gotten to the point where firefox is as bad as chrome or ie. A shame, it used to be such a good choice. -- Steve
Steve Lindemann wrote:
On 9/25/2014 8:13 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Thu, September 25, 2014 8:59 am, John Doe wrote:
From: Johan Vermeulen jvermeulen@cawdekempen.be
op 25-09-14 13:46, mark schreef:
Yup, forgot that: no tool bar at all, no menus....
<snip>
It is *completely* unacceptable to release an update that appears to ignore the configuration files, and doesn't even *show* the menu, which would absolutely freak out an "ordinary user".
And to lose the tabs! I am *not* going to update firefox at work till they fix this - I have stuff I need.
<snip>
Switch to Palemoon or Qupzilla, firefox has "improved" itself to the point where it's just not a choice anymore, let alone a good one. I've been using Palemoon and it's been a damn good choice for me... ymmv
palemoon looks nice - *is* there a package for it somewhere, or do you have to d/l and install from their homepage?
Find something else that works for you, there are other choices. It's gotten to the point where firefox is as bad as chrome or ie. A shame, it used to be such a good choice.
I have to worry, here at work. I am *not* going to even think about trying to force my users to use another browser, one they've never heard of (I've never heard of either of these). This needs to be fixed....
mark
On Thu, September 25, 2014 9:42 am, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Steve Lindemann wrote:
On 9/25/2014 8:13 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Thu, September 25, 2014 8:59 am, John Doe wrote:
From: Johan Vermeulen jvermeulen@cawdekempen.be
op 25-09-14 13:46, mark schreef: > Yup, forgot that: no tool bar at all, no menus....
<snip> >> It is *completely* unacceptable to release an update that appears to >> ignore the configuration files, and doesn't even *show* the menu, which >> would absolutely freak out an "ordinary user". >> >> And to lose the tabs! I am *not* going to update firefox at work till >> they fix this - I have stuff I need. >> <snip> > > Switch to Palemoon or Qupzilla, firefox has "improved" itself to the > point where it's just not a choice anymore, let alone a good one. I've > been using Palemoon and it's been a damn good choice for me... ymmv
palemoon looks nice - *is* there a package for it somewhere, or do you have to d/l and install from their homepage?
Find something else that works for you, there are other choices. It's gotten to the point where firefox is as bad as chrome or ie. A shame, it used to be such a good choice.
I have to worry, here at work. I am *not* going to even think about trying to force my users to use another browser, one they've never heard of (I've never heard of either of these). This needs to be fixed....
I'm in the same fix... But. When I will find open source, acceptable browser which I can predict will last and will have the same great attitude late netscape or mozilla had, I will start installing it simultaneously with firefox, yet will make it default browser, which users can switch to firefox from if the want to, and will definitely mention why I suggest that browser. Some users will get alone with new browser, and after some critical mass of them, maybe a year down the road it will be done deal. The only shortcoming in my plan is an existence of damn google chrome. (Others already cursed at it, so I'll save my breath).
Valeri
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'm in the same fix... But. When I will find open source, acceptable browser which I can predict will last and will have the same great attitude late netscape or mozilla had, I will start installing it simultaneously with firefox, yet will make it default browser, which users can switch to firefox from if the want to, and will definitely mention why I suggest that browser. Some users will get alone with new browser, and after some critical mass of them, maybe a year down the road it will be done deal. The only shortcoming in my plan is an existence of damn google chrome. (Others already cursed at it, so I'll save my breath).
Valeri
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
I like the look of palemoon, I am going to drop an email to Nux and see if we can get it added to his repo.
Tom Bishop wrote:
I'm in the same fix... But. When I will find open source, acceptable browser which I can predict will last and will have the same great attitude late netscape or mozilla had, I will start installing it simultaneously with firefox, yet will make it default browser, which users can switch to firefox from if the want to, and will definitely
mention
why I suggest that browser. Some users will get alone with new
browser, and
after some critical mass of them, maybe a year down the road it will be done deal. The only shortcoming in my plan is an existence of damn google chrome. (Others already cursed at it, so I'll save my breath).
I like the look of palemoon, I am going to drop an email to Nux and see if we can get it added to his repo.
Maybe we can get it into extras? I mentioned something from his repo to my manager, who understandably balked at a Russian server (this is a US gov't agency (non-DoD) that we work at....
mark
Maybe we can get it into extras? I mentioned something from his repo to my manager, who understandably balked at a Russian server (this is a US gov't agency (non-DoD) that we work at....
mark
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Oops, yeah I can see why that might be an issue, Nux is pretty active and the source is available but yeah I get it.
If I had more time I would like to try to help out at least with the builds, but we still need to get it in a repo somewhere.
Something to work at, will add it to my to do list.
On 09/25/2014 05:49 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Tom Bishop wrote:
I like the look of palemoon, I am going to drop an email to Nux and see if we can get it added to his repo.
Maybe we can get it into extras? I mentioned something from his repo to my manager, who understandably balked at a Russian server (this is a US gov't agency (non-DoD) that we work at....
li.nux.ro, that's Romania not Russia.
On Thu, September 25, 2014 11:16 am, Nicolas Thierry-Mieg wrote:
On 09/25/2014 05:49 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Tom Bishop wrote:
I like the look of palemoon, I am going to drop an email to Nux and see if we can get it added to his repo.
Maybe we can get it into extras? I mentioned something from his repo to my manager, who understandably balked at a Russian server (this is a US gov't agency (non-DoD) that we work at....
li.nux.ro, that's Romania not Russia.
That is a relief. I recommend my users against several things, free Kasperski antivirus one of them (knowing that Kasperski is KGB guy, and in that sort of service you never retire, only feet first dead; true about that service in any country...)
Valeri
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Nicolas Thierry-Mieg wrote:
On 09/25/2014 05:49 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Tom Bishop wrote:
I like the look of palemoon, I am going to drop an email to Nux and see if we can get it added to his repo.
Maybe we can get it into extras? I mentioned something from his repo to my manager, who understandably balked at a Russian server (this is a US gov't agency (non-DoD) that we work at....
li.nux.ro, that's Romania not Russia.
Thanks, I sit (and type) corrected. There was something nagging at me, saying Russia was wrong for Nux. However, I don't foresee aforesaid manager being happy with an eastern European individual's repo.
*sigh*
But - could someone correct me if I'm wrong - isn't "extras" for things like this?
mark
Maybe we can get it into extras? I mentioned something from his repo to my manager, who understandably balked at a Russian server (this is a US gov't agency (non-DoD) that we work at....
li.nux.ro, that's Romania not Russia.
Thanks, I sit (and type) corrected. There was something nagging at me, saying Russia was wrong for Nux. However, I don't foresee aforesaid manager being happy with an eastern European individual's repo.
Jesus! Couldn't you just shut up?
On 25/09/14 17:42, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Nicolas Thierry-Mieg wrote:
On 09/25/2014 05:49 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Tom Bishop wrote:
I like the look of palemoon, I am going to drop an email to Nux and see if we can get it added to his repo.
Maybe we can get it into extras? I mentioned something from his repo to my manager, who understandably balked at a Russian server (this is a US gov't agency (non-DoD) that we work at....
li.nux.ro, that's Romania not Russia.
Thanks, I sit (and type) corrected. There was something nagging at me, saying Russia was wrong for Nux. However, I don't foresee aforesaid manager being happy with an eastern European individual's repo.
*sigh*
But - could someone correct me if I'm wrong - isn't "extras" for things like this?
mark
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Guess it's the old "if it ain't American, it ain't right" attitude? :-).
A suggestion for your picky boss: Custom repository.
You could create a custom repository featuring these "off limits" products and simply create a repo-release package which gets installed with each machine.
This way each machine has the repository, and can install the extra packages.
I have done this before and works fine, I usually just create my own rpms or grab src rpms from fedora koji and put them in my own repo if I want something that is not available in any repositories.
This should solve most of the problems with your boss :-).
PS: Better not tell your boss Linux was created in Finland..
Kind Regards, Jake Shipton (JakeMS) GPG Key: 0xE3C31D8F GPG Fingerprint: 7515 CC63 19BD 06F9 400A DE8A 1D0B A5CF E3C3 1D8F
Jake Shipton wrote:
On 25/09/14 17:42, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Nicolas Thierry-Mieg wrote:
On 09/25/2014 05:49 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Tom Bishop wrote:
I like the look of palemoon, I am going to drop an email to Nux and see if we can get it added to his repo.
Maybe we can get it into extras? I mentioned something from his repo to my manager, who understandably balked at a Russian server (this is a US gov't agency (non-DoD) that we work at....
li.nux.ro, that's Romania not Russia.
Thanks, I sit (and type) corrected. There was something nagging at me, saying Russia was wrong for Nux. However, I don't foresee aforesaid manager being happy with an eastern European individual's repo.
*sigh*
But - could someone correct me if I'm wrong - isn't "extras" for things like this?
Guess it's the old "if it ain't American, it ain't right" attitude? :-).
Don't be absurd. How 'bout "can we be sure that no one's inserted nasties into the code?" How 'bout "who else has looked at and compared the code to the project source?"
*I* would trust Nux... but a) I can't speak or set policy for my organization[1][2], and b) I wouldn't feel comfortable committing my organization to use it, and urging it on my users of my division, and then someone hacks his repo.
As an admin I used to work with liked to say, he was paid to be professionally paranoid.
A suggestion for your picky boss: Custom repository.
We have our own repo. However, there's *2.x* of us (my manager's working with another Institute too much of the time these days), and we do NOT want to have to maintain packages (don't even *ask* me about my packaging of BioPerl). We want to yum update from trusted repos.... <snip>
This way each machine has the repository, and can install the extra packages.
*snicker* Each machine. Right, I'm going to put a repo on ever single server and workstation... and then maintain it. When nobody actually works on their workstation, the work is supposed to be done on servers, with home directories NFS mounted....
You're joking, right? <snip>
mark
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:18 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Guess it's the old "if it ain't American, it ain't right" attitude? :-).
Don't be absurd. How 'bout "can we be sure that no one's inserted nasties into the code?" How 'bout "who else has looked at and compared the code to the project source?"
That's ummm, funny, considering the stuff we've all been running.
On 25/09/14 18:18, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Jake Shipton wrote:
Guess it's the old "if it ain't American, it ain't right" attitude? :-).
Don't be absurd. How 'bout "can we be sure that no one's inserted nasties into the code?" How 'bout "who else has looked at and compared the code to the project source?"
*I* would trust Nux... but a) I can't speak or set policy for my organization[1][2], and b) I wouldn't feel comfortable committing my organization to use it, and urging it on my users of my division, and then someone hacks his repo.
As an admin I used to work with liked to say, he was paid to be professionally paranoid.
Fair enough, same reason I do not use Windows at all anywhere :-).
A suggestion for your picky boss: Custom repository.
We have our own repo. However, there's *2.x* of us (my manager's working with another Institute too much of the time these days), and we do NOT want to have to maintain packages (don't even *ask* me about my packaging of BioPerl). We want to yum update from trusted repos....
Yeah, I know the feeling of that, I am the only IT guy in our company my job usually includes:
1) Build systems 2) Configure servers 3) Maintain servers 4) Configure desktops 5) Maintain desktops 6) Develop any homemade applications when and where necessary 7) Develop and maintain website 8) Process and deliver online orders 9) Reply to customer support emails 10) Occasionally be on shop front (Mostly weekends) and directly deal with customers. 11) Anything else as and where needed.
Basically.. everything as I am part of a 3-way business partnership which only has 3 people working (Self employed).
I literally work from when I wake up to when I go to bed.
So I know what it's like to not have many people doing stuff, and I know it can be done, so maintaining your own repository is actually quite easy when there is two of you if you set up email notifications etc of when new packages are released, and assuming you don't put far to many packages in your own repo and keep it to the odd one or two where needed you should be able to maintain it fairly easily. :-)
<snip> > This way each machine has the repository, and can install the > extra packages.
*snicker* Each machine. Right, I'm going to put a repo on ever single server and workstation... and then maintain it. When nobody actually works on their workstation, the work is supposed to be done on servers, with home directories NFS mounted....
You're joking, right? <snip>
Nope quite serious, regarding installing the repo on the machines, create your own "release" package, then it's just the case of yum install <rpm url>.
If you use PXE booting for new installs, just include it on the kickstart file and it will automatically be installed to any new systems.
After that initial setup, you just install and update the packages the same as you would with any other repository package.
Besides, I'm just offering a simple solution to your problem...
Kind Regards, Jake Shipton (JakeMS) GPG Key: 0xE3C31D8F GPG Fingerprint: 7515 CC63 19BD 06F9 400A DE8A 1D0B A5CF E3C3 1D8F
Sorry, missing footnotes to last email: 1] you'll notice I never mention the organization name - I really am not allowed to speak for my organization, or my company. 2] Partly because I work for a federal contractor....
mark
On Thu, 2014-09-25 at 18:16 +0200, Nicolas Thierry-Mieg wrote:
On 09/25/2014 05:49 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Maybe we can get it into extras? I mentioned something from his repo to my manager, who understandably balked at a Russian server (this is a US gov't agency (non-DoD) that we work at....
li.nux.ro, that's Romania not Russia.
USA people are not too familiar with Europe which extends from the Arctic circle (Svalbard, 81º North, Norwegian) to the Mediterranean, and from the French coast to the Ural mountains in Russia. The 28 countries of the EU have a population exceeding 800 million (the USA's is about 307m). That leaves about 22 European countries not (yet) in the EU.
Paul England, EU.
On Thu, September 25, 2014 7:32 pm, Always Learning wrote:
On Thu, 2014-09-25 at 18:16 +0200, Nicolas Thierry-Mieg wrote:
On 09/25/2014 05:49 PM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Maybe we can get it into extras? I mentioned something from his repo
to my
manager, who understandably balked at a Russian server (this is a US
gov't
agency (non-DoD) that we work at....
li.nux.ro, that's Romania not Russia.
USA people are not too familiar with Europe which extends from the Arctic circle (Svalbard, 81º North, Norwegian) to the Mediterranean, and from the French coast to the Ural mountains in Russia. The 28 countries of the EU have a population exceeding 800 million (the USA's is about 307m). That leaves about 22 European countries not (yet) in the EU.
My take would be he just didn't focus on the domain name. Sysadmins usually decipher those into geographical location easily. I admire Europe: everybody speaks multiple languages. BTW one of our professors brought this joke when he came back from Europe. If I wasn't sure the joke has long-long beard I would think he made it up himself...: Person who speaks 2 languages: bilingual, 3 languages: trilingual; 1 language: American ;-)
Valeri
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 9/25/2014 8:42 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Steve Lindemann wrote:
On 9/25/2014 8:13 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Thu, September 25, 2014 8:59 am, John Doe wrote:
From: Johan Vermeulen jvermeulen@cawdekempen.be
op 25-09-14 13:46, mark schreef: > Yup, forgot that: no tool bar at all, no menus....
<snip> >> It is *completely* unacceptable to release an update that appears to >> ignore the configuration files, and doesn't even *show* the menu, which >> would absolutely freak out an "ordinary user". >> >> And to lose the tabs! I am *not* going to update firefox at work till >> they fix this - I have stuff I need. >> <snip> > > Switch to Palemoon or Qupzilla, firefox has "improved" itself to the > point where it's just not a choice anymore, let alone a good one. I've > been using Palemoon and it's been a damn good choice for me... ymmv
palemoon looks nice - *is* there a package for it somewhere, or do you have to d/l and install from their homepage?
Find something else that works for you, there are other choices. It's gotten to the point where firefox is as bad as chrome or ie. A shame, it used to be such a good choice.
I have to worry, here at work. I am *not* going to even think about trying to force my users to use another browser, one they've never heard of (I've never heard of either of these). This needs to be fixed....
yup, that would be the fly in the ointment. It's certainly not in the distro's I use (base,extras,updates,rpmforge,epel). I did find qupzilla in linux mint, but not palemoon and neither in the centos distro's that I use. Can't speak to other systems.
For a mass install you pretty much have to roll your own. I've only used it on individual systems that I work with directly and downloaded from the website. I can only speak to my personal use. Hopefully it will start showing up in the distro's, we definitely need something other than firefox these days. -- Steve
On 9/25/2014 9:07 AM, Steve Lindemann wrote:
On 9/25/2014 8:42 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Steve Lindemann wrote:
On 9/25/2014 8:13 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Thu, September 25, 2014 8:59 am, John Doe wrote:
From: Johan Vermeulen jvermeulen@cawdekempen.be > op 25-09-14 13:46, mark schreef: >> Yup, forgot that: no tool bar at all, no menus....
<snip> >> It is *completely* unacceptable to release an update that appears to >> ignore the configuration files, and doesn't even *show* the menu, which >> would absolutely freak out an "ordinary user". >> >> And to lose the tabs! I am *not* going to update firefox at work till >> they fix this - I have stuff I need. >> <snip> > > Switch to Palemoon or Qupzilla, firefox has "improved" itself to the > point where it's just not a choice anymore, let alone a good one. I've > been using Palemoon and it's been a damn good choice for me... ymmv
palemoon looks nice - *is* there a package for it somewhere, or do you have to d/l and install from their homepage?
Find something else that works for you, there are other choices. It's gotten to the point where firefox is as bad as chrome or ie. A shame, it used to be such a good choice.
I have to worry, here at work. I am *not* going to even think about trying to force my users to use another browser, one they've never heard of (I've never heard of either of these). This needs to be fixed....
yup, that would be the fly in the ointment. It's certainly not in the distro's I use (base,extras,updates,rpmforge,epel). I did find qupzilla in linux mint, but not palemoon and neither in the centos distro's that I use. Can't speak to other systems.
For a mass install you pretty much have to roll your own. I've only used it on individual systems that I work with directly and downloaded from the website. I can only speak to my personal use. Hopefully it will start showing up in the distro's, we definitely need something other than firefox these days. -- Steve
I meant repo's not distro's in the first paragraph ...DUH! //Steve
m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
palemoon looks nice
My concern with Pale Moon is that it's based on the Firefox 24 extended support release, which is no longer supported. Don't know how that'll play out.
In the meantime I've added exclude=firefox to my yum configuration and am sticking with Firefox 24. On Fedora I've switched to Midori.
I don't want 'tabs on top' and over the past several releases the Firefox developers have been making it more and more difficult to configure that. It used to be the default but now it requires a third-party extension and jumping through several hoops.
Ron
On Thu, September 25, 2014 10:10 am, Ron Yorston wrote:
m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
palemoon looks nice
My concern with Pale Moon is that it's based on the Firefox 24 extended support release,
Sad. If there is no own developers team behind that, it hardly will survive "enterprise level" length of time...
which is no longer supported. Don't know how that'll play out.
In the meantime I've added exclude=firefox to my yum configuration and am sticking with Firefox 24. On Fedora I've switched to Midori.
I've tested and am using midori on my FreeBSD workstation (and some servers whenever I need to use browser on the server...). I can not push midori on my users though, as midori is a bit too rudimentary in my opinion compared to what my users usually need from web browser...
Just my $0.02
Valeri
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 09/25/2014 09:42 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Steve Lindemann wrote:
On 9/25/2014 8:13 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Thu, September 25, 2014 8:59 am, John Doe wrote:
From: Johan Vermeulen jvermeulen@cawdekempen.be
op 25-09-14 13:46, mark schreef: > Yup, forgot that: no tool bar at all, no menus....
<snip> >> It is *completely* unacceptable to release an update that appears to >> ignore the configuration files, and doesn't even *show* the menu, which >> would absolutely freak out an "ordinary user". >> >> And to lose the tabs! I am *not* going to update firefox at work till >> they fix this - I have stuff I need. >> <snip> > > Switch to Palemoon or Qupzilla, firefox has "improved" itself to the > point where it's just not a choice anymore, let alone a good one. I've > been using Palemoon and it's been a damn good choice for me... ymmv
palemoon looks nice - *is* there a package for it somewhere, or do you have to d/l and install from their homepage?
Find something else that works for you, there are other choices. It's gotten to the point where firefox is as bad as chrome or ie. A shame, it used to be such a good choice.
I have to worry, here at work. I am *not* going to even think about trying to force my users to use another browser, one they've never heard of (I've never heard of either of these). This needs to be fixed....
Unless the behavior is different in CentOS than RHEL, it is fixed.
You can turn on the menu bar (right click and click the check mark)
If your users use Windows or mac, they already are using something that does not have a menu bar. Firefox has the same look everywhere.
So, because you have to check a box to get the menu, you want to look for a new browser, which could just stop working at the whims of the upstream guys (like chromium did) when they move on to the latest and greatest glibc, etc? This sounds silly to me .. check the menu box and use firefox. It will be supported and secure until EOL.
Of course, it is your machine(S) so feel free to do whatever you want.
On Fri, September 26, 2014 8:21 am, Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 09/25/2014 09:42 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Steve Lindemann wrote:
On 9/25/2014 8:13 AM, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Thu, September 25, 2014 8:59 am, John Doe wrote:
From: Johan Vermeulen jvermeulen@cawdekempen.be > op 25-09-14 13:46, mark schreef: >> Yup, forgot that: no tool bar at all, no menus....
<snip> >> It is *completely* unacceptable to release an update that appears to >> ignore the configuration files, and doesn't even *show* the menu, >> which >> would absolutely freak out an "ordinary user". >> >> And to lose the tabs! I am *not* going to update firefox at work till >> they fix this - I have stuff I need. >> <snip> > > Switch to Palemoon or Qupzilla, firefox has "improved" itself to the > point where it's just not a choice anymore, let alone a good one. I've > been using Palemoon and it's been a damn good choice for me... ymmv
palemoon looks nice - *is* there a package for it somewhere, or do you have to d/l and install from their homepage?
Find something else that works for you, there are other choices. It's gotten to the point where firefox is as bad as chrome or ie. A shame, it used to be such a good choice.
I have to worry, here at work. I am *not* going to even think about trying to force my users to use another browser, one they've never heard of (I've never heard of either of these). This needs to be fixed....
Unless the behavior is different in CentOS than RHEL, it is fixed.
You can turn on the menu bar (right click and click the check mark)
If your users use Windows or mac, they already are using something that does not have a menu bar. Firefox has the same look everywhere.
So, because you have to check a box to get the menu, you want to look for a new browser, which could just stop working at the whims of the upstream guys (like chromium did) when they move on to the latest and greatest glibc, etc? This sounds silly to me .. check the menu box and use firefox. It will be supported and secure until EOL.
No, it is not because of that. At least in my case. I started looking for decent open source browser that to an extent possible follows the rule "don't change anything unless it is absolutely necessary" as far as the way of user interaction goes some 5 or so years ago. Not only changes that brake all former logic (I'm talking about Firefox here), but also stupid rushing of new hardly ever tested "releases",... So, you are happy with it; it's your way of life, silly or not is seems to me. The same as my feelings about "enterprise attitude" any sort of software, silly or not my feelings seem to you.
Just my $0.02
Valeri
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Valeri Galtsev galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
No, it is not because of that. At least in my case. I started looking for decent open source browser that to an extent possible follows the rule "don't change anything unless it is absolutely necessary" as far as the way of user interaction goes some 5 or so years ago. Not only changes that brake all former logic (I'm talking about Firefox here), but also stupid rushing of new hardly ever tested "releases",... So, you are happy with it; it's your way of life, silly or not is seems to me. The same as my feelings about "enterprise attitude" any sort of software, silly or not my feelings seem to you.
The problem is that the "don't change anything" rule can't start until you get it right the first time, and browsers in general are still working on that - along with the standards committees. If you are using CentOS7 you have the option of adding google chrome which probably is even worse for the rate of change but at least it is closely in tune with google sites and across various devices.
On Fri, September 26, 2014 1:27 pm, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Valeri Galtsev galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
No, it is not because of that. At least in my case. I started looking for decent open source browser that to an extent possible follows the rule "don't change anything unless it is absolutely necessary" as far as the way of user interaction goes some 5 or so years ago. Not only changes that brake all former logic (I'm talking about Firefox here), but also stupid rushing of new hardly ever tested "releases",... So, you are happy with it; it's your way of life, silly or not is seems to me. The same as my feelings about "enterprise attitude" any sort of software, silly or not my feelings seem to you.
The problem is that the "don't change anything" rule can't start until you get it right the first time, and browsers in general are still working on that - along with the standards committees. If you are using CentOS7 you have the option of adding google chrome which probably is even worse for the rate of change but at least it is closely in tune with google sites and across various devices.
I did mention open source browsers, which google chrome was not last time I checked. Not to mention I do dislike googe's privacy policies, so I'm myself staying away (wherever I can) from anything even just derived from google's code. Even less I'm inclined to push this onto my users. I can not interfere with them when they are dying to have google chrome on their machines, but that is different.
Thanks for adding a candidate to my list of potential replacements for firefox (which didn't make it to my list, still thanks for the effort!).
Valeri
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Johnny Hughes johnny@centos.org wrote:
So, because you have to check a box to get the menu, you want to look for a new browser, which could just stop working at the whims of the upstream guys (like chromium did) when they move on to the latest and greatest glibc, etc? This sounds silly to me ..
Dunno if it is really any sillier to stop supporting ancient libs than it is to keep them completely frozen for umpteen years with no improvements and force the choice. Too bad there can't be a nice sensible progression of backwards compatible updates.
On Thu, September 25, 2014 9:13 am, m.roth@5-cent.us wrote:
Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Thu, September 25, 2014 8:59 am, John Doe wrote:
From: Johan Vermeulen jvermeulen@cawdekempen.be
op 25-09-14 13:46, mark schreef:
Yup, forgot that: no tool bar at all, no menus....
Then maybe you are stuck in full-screen mode? Press f11 to exit that.
No. 99.44% of the time, I'm *NEVER* in fullscreen mode. All these damn developers seem to be thinking of their idiot, er, smart phones, and *not* about the majority of us using real computers with real monitors.
You can press the "Alt" key to show the menu.
It is *completely* unacceptable to release an update that appears to ignore the configuration files, and doesn't even *show* the menu, which would absolutely freak out an "ordinary user".
And to lose the tabs! I am *not* going to update firefox at work till they fix this - I have stuff I need.
<snip>
I've started looking for firefox replacement some 4 if not 5 years ago. Since one of the students working here whom I knew after running his own company with a couple of his friends for about a year went to mozilla foundation as a ...(production manager if my memory doesn't fail me, my apologies if I'm wrong). Shortly after that the whole attitude there, at least as far as Firefox is concerned, changed. )Quite in line with what I know about the guy, hence my circumstantial conclusion. I'm not say he changed it, it may be true, but maybe his hiring was just a consequence of change that already happened.) Firefox releases started getting rushed out, like every 2 or 3 Months new release; they were awfully overburdened with new "fancy" (often not that necessary) stuff, changing dramatically how you interact with your browser. Worst of all, not to well debugged before releasing. Those who still remember netscape and mozilla browsers, try to remember how often you had to apply critical updates, or upgrade the browser to new version. I know, I know, still...
Yes, I still didn't find replacement for firefox... so, anyone who has a any suggestions of decent open source browser, please, let me know.
Valeri
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 09/25/2014 04:38 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
Yes, I still didn't find replacement for firefox... so, anyone who has a any suggestions of decent open source browser, please, let me know.
maybe try seamonkey, I've been using it for ages (basically since firefox split from mozilla suite ;-) ) and I'm satisfied. It uses the same base code as firefox & thunderbird but it doesn't seem to change cosmetic things around all the time.
No packages for EL6 AFAIK, for a long time I built my own but now I just grab the Linux/x86_64 build from their download page, tar xfvj, rename the subdir to have the date there, make my seamonkey-latest symlink point to that dir, make a symlink in that dir pointing to /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/ , and voila.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 09:09:15AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
developers to follow this:
Don't change anything unless it is absolutely necessary.
(it was excellent attitude to programming I was doing once: this way you diminish the chance to break something that works...)
Probably POLA, Principle Of Least Astonishment.
FreeBSD mentions it from time to time.
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