[Arm-dev] Old ver of Chrony - Re: Chronyd alternative - Re: So is this a bug to report - Re: Re: Re: System time

Wed Sep 2 15:49:25 UTC 2015

Problem is an 'old' ver of chrony:

On 09/02/2015 11:01 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> This is not working on a new mSD with only chrony installed and the 
> changes listed below.
>
> It works on F22 'out of the box' with these changes.

 From the Fedora-arm list:

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On 09/02/2015 11:41 AM, Miroslav Lichvar wrote:
> In RHEL7 is currently chrony-1.29 which doesn't have the no RTC 
> fallback with the -s option. You might want to wait for 7.2, which 
> likely will have chrony-2.1.1. 
=======

> Got to get this working...

So can we have chrony-2.1.1 ???  Please  :)

>
> On 09/02/2015 08:56 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> On the Fedora-arm list I learned that chronyd and systemd-timesyncd 
>> conflict.  F22 is using chronyd with systemd-timesyncd not enabled.  
>> To get chronyd to set the system time based on the last boot you need:
>>
>> In /etc/sysconfig/chronyd
>> OPTIONS="-s"
>>
>> and /etc/chrony.conf
>> #rtcsync
>> rtcdevice /dev/nonexist
>>
>> shortly after boot if no network connection, your system time is set 
>> to the last content in /var/lib/chrony/drift
>>
>> So please add chronyd to the minimal install and set it with these 
>> 'defaults', or provide an easy way to configure for 'no rtc'.
>>
>> On 09/01/2015 11:29 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>> The archlinux wiki says this should work at boot even without a 
>>> network connection but it is not.  Perhaps there is some extra steps 
>>> to set this up right?
>>>
>>> If not, is this a bug?  Not supprising that the Intel based testing 
>>> did not see this, as how many Intel boxes do not have an rtc?  Only 
>>> those with dead batteries...
>>>
>>> On 09/01/2015 01:46 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>> I just did a test, as timedatectl indicates that ntp is on. It did 
>>>> not set the time on reboot.  It is not doing that auto stuff 
>>>> mentioned in the description.  :(
>>>>
>>>> On 09/01/2015 01:39 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>>> Oh, I should have read further down the page of: 
>>>>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-timesyncd
>>>>>
>>>>> ....
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/01/2015 01:38 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>>>> Again, this requires the network to be up?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use timedatectl to set my timezone, will look more into it.  
>>>>>> Could be all is rolled together...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/01/2015 01:35 PM, Nicolas Repentin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't know.. I saw this on the web
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Centos 7 use systemd. I suggest you use it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Use the command timedatectl 
>>>>>>> <http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/timedatectl.html>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Enable network time synchronization:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> timedatectl set-ntp True
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Create a conf file:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> vi /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with content like this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Time]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NTP= yourserver.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Start systemd-timedated service:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> systemctl start systemd-timedated
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nicolas Repentin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <nicolas at shivaserv.fr>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------- Original Message ---------
>>>>>>> *From*: Robert Moskowitz
>>>>>>> *To*: Conversations around CentOS on ARM hardware
>>>>>>> *Date*: Tue Sep 01 19:26:49 GMT+02:00 2015
>>>>>>> *Subject*: Re: [Arm-dev] Re: System time
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/01/2015 01:15 PM, Nicolas Repentin wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, I did know about systemd-timesyncd, need to check about it :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can't find it in the repo, what provides it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nicolas Repentin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <nicolas at shivaserv.fr>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --------- Original Message ---------
>>>>>>>> *From*: Robert Moskowitz
>>>>>>>> *To*: Conversations around CentOS on ARM hardware
>>>>>>>> *Date*: Tue Sep 01 19:04:38 GMT+02:00 2015
>>>>>>>> *Subject*: Re: [Arm-dev] System time
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 09/01/2015 12:16 PM, Nicolas wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think any armv7 board like cubie has a battery to 
>>>>>>>>> backup clock
>>>>>>>>> I think ntpd is the only way, and seems to work well on my bpi 
>>>>>>>>> with c7. I will check if dns resolution works when date is 1970.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think setting the currenttime can be a good idea on the rbf 
>>>>>>>>> tool :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the Fedora-arm list I was pointed to Systemd-timesyncd
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This does MOST of what I want.  All that I think needs to be 
>>>>>>>> added is for it to be enabled in the image and a initial 
>>>>>>>> date/time of the image built date be there so the firstboot has 
>>>>>>>> a decent time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nicolas Repentin
>>>>>>>>> <nicolas at shivaserv.fr>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Le 1 septembre 2015 18:12, Robert Moskowitz a écrit:
>>>>>>>>>> How is system time set at boot?  Is ntpdate run after the 
>>>>>>>>>> network is
>>>>>>>>>> ready?  How long does it retry waiting for the network to be 
>>>>>>>>>> available?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have seen a number of challenges becuase the system time is 
>>>>>>>>>> back at
>>>>>>>>>> the epoch start as there is no battery rtc. And  I wonder how 
>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>> armv7 boards have a battery to maintain time across boots?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Minimally, a process could right the time, in the proper 
>>>>>>>>>> format, to a
>>>>>>>>>> file, say /etc/currenttime every 5 min and at shutdown.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then date can be run early in the boot process, piping this 
>>>>>>>>>> file in.  It
>>>>>>>>>> would not be perfect and does not help, much for new 
>>>>>>>>>> installs, but
>>>>>>>>>> better than epoch start.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Plus /etc/currenttime can be at least set to the image build 
>>>>>>>>>> date/time
>>>>>>>>>> so not even firstboot will be at epoch start.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Opinions?
>>>>>>>>>>
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