on 5-1-2009 12:34 PM Ned Slider spake the following: > Dag Wieers wrote: >> On Fri, 1 May 2009, Marcus Moeller wrote: >> >>> Dear Dag, >>> >>>> I am amazed by the usefulness of the CentOS LiveCD and I would like to >>>> discuss the scope of the project. Some of the recommendations I made >>>> go against the original idea of LiveCD project. >>>> >>>> But my (outside) stance on the LiveCD is that it should give the best >>>> achievable experience possible for people when trying CentOS. To me that >>>> includes adding drivers that are available in other repositories (which >>>> are missing from upstream, including wireless firmware, etc...) >>>> >>>> I do agree that as soon as we leave the deliver-what-upstream-has path, we >>>> may open a can of worms (do we also want to fix known bugs ? replace >>>> upstream software ? legality ?), so we have to decide what is desirable, >>>> what is possible and where the project's effort ends. >>> I don't think that there is a need to divide from upstream atm. and am >>> not really willed to break compatibility for features. >>> >>> Concerning the Live-CD, I would suggest to offer a stable version that >>> reflects the CentOS release with all dis-advantages it may have (not >>> installable, e.g.) >> So it becomes effectively useless for everyone with a netbook/laptop and >> needs wireless ? I cannot use the LiveCD unless I somehow transfer the >> firmware (or remake the LiveCD), you loose users, hurt the project. >> >> Upstream doesn't have a LiveCD, so I don't see a good point in maintaining >> the same hardware support in that respect. It only hurts the LiveCD >> effort. (Same for additional drivers for netbooks/laptops/desktops) >> >> What's even more, upstream does have wireless firmware in their addon >> repository, so in effect we are not offering the same as they are offering >> to customers. >> > > +1. > > The only reason I can see for sticking religiously with the > upstream/CentOS base is to use the LiveCD as a tool to test hardware > compatibility. IMHO that's a lost opportunity as others have noted and a > LiveCD deserves to be so much more than just that. Besides, we all > install additional drivers on our real systems when hardware isn't > detected or supported by the base offering - just that's somewhat more > difficult using a LiveCD which by it's nature is intended (in many users > opinion) to be quick and easy to use, not more difficult. We will likely > just lose that potential userbase to Ubuntu. > > I appreciate this IS a difficult call as when you add functionality you > also lose the ability to use it as a strict testing tool for out of the > box distro compatibility. Is there any way we can have the best of both > worlds? Unless it could have 2 sets of kernels and initrd's. One bone stock, and one "Enhanced" with extra drivers. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 258 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/attachments/20090501/bb59cac1/attachment-0007.sig>