On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 12:02 PM George Dunlap <dunlapg at umich.edu> wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 3:47 PM Akshay Kumar <akshayk at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Barring that, it might help for > >> you think of it like this: when developers go silent, it simply means > >> they're busy working... > > > > > > See this is where you guys start losing everyone. That is just a silly statement and pisses people off. You see people from the project tweeting left and right and not answering actual questions about release timelines. Then someone comes along and says something that is total and absolute crap. > > I don't think there's a need to escalate this. It is absolutely > natural for developers to think, "Can't they trust me when I tell them > that I'm still working on it?" > > I do agree with you, though, that it is absolutely *unnatural* for > users to think, "I haven't heard a thing for 6 weeks, I guess they're > just busy working really hard." It would help users immensely if > someone who knew where things stood could at least give a brief update > every week or two, saying that work is still ongoing, and at least > giving a brief summary about why it's taking so long (along the lines > of Ladar Levison's email about the installer). > In my view, the biggest problem is that *whatever* is being done is totally hidden from us. We don't know what's going on, there's no view to it, and the "status page" says that the last task is "not started" with not much explanation. >From any reasonable person's perspective, it seems like CentOS 8 has fallen into a black hole... -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!