On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 12:02 PM George Dunlap <dunlapg at umich.edu> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 3:47 PM Akshay Kumar <akshayk at gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> Barring that, it might help for > > >> you think of it like this: when developers go silent, it simply means > > >> they're busy working... > > > > > > > > > See this is where you guys start losing everyone. That is just a silly statement and pisses people off. You see people from the project tweeting left and right and not answering actual questions about release timelines. Then someone comes along and says something that is total and absolute crap. > > > > I don't think there's a need to escalate this. It is absolutely > > natural for developers to think, "Can't they trust me when I tell them > > that I'm still working on it?" > > > > I do agree with you, though, that it is absolutely *unnatural* for > > users to think, "I haven't heard a thing for 6 weeks, I guess they're > > just busy working really hard." It would help users immensely if > > someone who knew where things stood could at least give a brief update > > every week or two, saying that work is still ongoing, and at least > > giving a brief summary about why it's taking so long (along the lines > > of Ladar Levison's email about the installer). > > > > In my view, the biggest problem is that *whatever* is being done is > totally hidden from us. We don't know what's going on, there's no view > to it, and the "status page" says that the last task is "not started" > with not much explanation. > > From any reasonable person's perspective, it seems like CentOS 8 has > fallen into a black hole... > > Agreed. I'd expect ongoing work and issues to be discussed on this list or in #centos-devel on freenode. Is there a Slack I need to join? (I've once too often found that a black hole was because stuff had moved to that proprietary platform.) Where is the ongoing work being discussed for this community project? Direct e-mail? In-person? Did I miss the process of joining the community? SCLo SIG seem to be the only folks using the #centos-meeting channel. V/r, James Cassell