On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 7:20 AM Josh Boyer <jwboyer at redhat.com> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 11:40 AM Ljubomir Ljubojevic <centos at plnet.rs> > wrote: > > > > On 12/9/20 4:25 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:16 AM Phil Perry <pperry at elrepo.org > > > <mailto:pperry at elrepo.org>> wrote: > > > > > > On 09/12/2020 15:08, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:59 AM Ljubomir Ljubojevic > > > <centos at plnet.rs <mailto:centos at plnet.rs> > > > > <mailto:centos at plnet.rs <mailto:centos at plnet.rs>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > So when you remove binary compatibility, why would anyone > > > bother with > > > > CentOS/RHEL unless they want a job in a company that pays > for RHEL > > > > support? > > > > > > > > What sort of binaries are you concerned about being incompatible? > > > > > > Any kernel device drivers, for a start. Kind of critical if your > > > SAS/RAID device wont boot, or your network device doesn't come up, > or > > > your GUI doesn't start because your display drivers aren't > compatible > > > anymore. Just minor things like that maybe? > > > > > > > > > OK, so out-of-tree drivers. If those keep on working does that make > > > CentOS Stream viable for your use? > > > > The problem we CentOS users have with "RHEL Stream" is "IF" it works. I > > do not want to think about "IF". RHEL Stream is meant to constantly, > > daily get packages and patches that are not yet tested, to BE tested on > > This is actually not the case. Today, our RHEL development model > requires package updates to undergo testing before they are included > in the distribution, even internally. CentOS Stream will continue > this trend as we upstream many of our RHEL CI workflows to Stream > itself. > > > users. From RHEL Stream FAQ: "CentOS Stream is a distribution that > > community members can use to take advantage of a stable ABI/API for > > development and testing," DEVELOPMENT AND TESTING. > > It would be disingenuous to say Stream won't have bugs. All software > development has bugs. However, the "development and testing" part > actually extends to the development and testing of the software *you* > are developing. Stream exists as a base for you to do your own > development and testing. > *WE* aren't doing development and testing! We're running systems that are trying to get work done. The whole POINT of CentOS was a recompile of the Open Source parts of RHEL. A stable *Enterprise* level operating system. Do you people not understand that?? > > > I do not have time to mess with "might work, might not" testing distro, > > otherwise I would play on the sand with Fedora. RHEL clone is best > > available option and in return for me using code prepared for RHEL I was > > telling anyone who would listen how CentOS is great, for me better then > > Debian/Ubuntu or other distro's. CentOS Facebook group has more members > > then Fedora FB group, partially due to me posting ton of resource links > > and how-to's and helping anyone who asked for help even if I had to look > > for answer my self. > > I do NOT have FAITH that Stream will be production ready, and I do not > > have free time to experiment or check if it will work or not when I run > > update, and that is only thing that matters. No amount of "do not worry" > > will change my mind. As soon as it is crystal clear (I still hope) that > > "CentOS Linux" is dead, I will stop advocating for CentOS, actually I > > will start advocating AGAINST CentOS and look for alternatives, either > > other clones or Debian. > > > > I will not respond to any more e-mails or tweets about this topic, there > > is nothing more to be said except R.I.P CentOS :-( > > I understand if you don't want to continue the conversation. I do > want to say that with CentOS Stream, we're committed to developing a > stable and world class project that literally produces RHEL. I hope > in the future if you decide to revisit your OS choice that you take a > moment and see what we're doing here. I think you might find that > we're working very hard to avoid the things you're concerned about, > because we *need* to avoid those same things in RHEL anyway. > > josh > _______________________________________________ > CentOS-devel mailing list > CentOS-devel at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel > -- *Matt Phelps* *Information Technology Specialist, Systems Administrator* (Computation Facility, Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory) Center for Astrophysics | Harvard & Smithsonian 60 Garden Street | MS 39 | Cambridge, MA 02138 email: mphelps at cfa.harvard.edu cfa.harvard.edu | Facebook <http://cfa.harvard.edu/facebook> | Twitter <http://cfa.harvard.edu/twitter> | YouTube <http://cfa.harvard.edu/youtube> | Newsletter <http://cfa.harvard.edu/newsletter> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/attachments/20201210/13ad8cb6/attachment-0005.html>