On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 11:40 PM Gordon Messmer <gordon.messmer at gmail.com> wrote: > Is it the word "test" that you associate with beta? Because *of course* > you should test a product before you deploy it. You should also test > your software on RHEL before you deploy it. That doesn't make RHEL a > beta, it's just a part of you doing due diligence with your own > configuration. Firefox ESR team: We are making 78.0, 78.1, and 78.2 available for organizations to test with. We will make 78.3 widely available, and an automatic update. RHEL 7: We will start from 78.3, because we are a responsible Enterprise Linux company, and we work with the Firefox ESR team, and we understand that 78.3 is the version that should be used to replace 68. CentOS 7: We will start from 78.3, because RHEL started with 78.3. CentOS 7 Stream: We will start from 78.2, to test 78 before dropping it on our RHEL customers. (CentOS 7 Stream does not exist - but if it had...) Gordon: I see no problem with CentOS 7 Stream strategy. Seems fine to me. What's wrong? > > I don't know if we are playing word games here - or if you truly > > believe it is a responsible choice to broadly deploy an early access > > version to a set of "Enterprise" customers. I'll use whatever word you > > want, as long as we agree that CentOS 8 Stream is for people who are > > *developing* CentOS. It is not for "Enterprise production > > deployments". I will comment further on another one of your posts. > Sure. I'm not saying that people who want an enterprise production > environment should use CentOS Stream for that purpose. You should > probably look at RHEL for that. Maybe. Maybe not. Going back to my original problem - the Red Hat subscription model is broken and does not scale. Are you using RHEL at scale? Why or why not? > I *would* say that I expect CentOS Stream to be better than CentOS is > today, for most purposes. How are you defining "most purposes"? Do most purposes include "Enterprise production deployments" or not? Because, CentOS 8 exists for "Enterprise production deployments", which I think is "most purposes". You are just ignoring this use case, and *then* claiming that CentOS 8 Stream is acceptable for "most purposes". -- Mark Mielke <mark.mielke at gmail.com>