On Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:51 AM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath at redhat.com> wrote: > On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 9:50 AM Jean-Marc Liger <jean-marc.liger at parisdescartes.fr> wrote: > >> Le 26/12/2020 à 13:08, Ljubomir Ljubojevic a écrit : >> >>> On 12/26/20 1:15 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: >>> >>>> If you truly wanted to keep that firewall in place. You, or someone, >>>> should have complained two years ago when the CentOS infrastructure team >>>> formally joined the RHEL team as "CPE". There were no objections to >>>> that and it was largely seen as a positive move by everyone I've talked >>>> to. If that was something so important to you, I think it's on you to >>>> pay attention and raise those concerns when they were happening. >>> >>> Even before CentOS was bought by Red Hat, I have seen people who wanted >>> to join building efforts (mostly?) turned away. CentOS devs were and >>> stayed exclusive club doing magic behind armored doors. Various reasons >>> were given, keeping security high, preventing other cloning projects >>> from getting better, etc. I did not care enough to speak up, especially >>> since it would not have maid difference. >>> >>> That is the reason CloudLinux promised foundation that will keep >>> complete procedure and ALL tools to clone RHEL accessible, anyone will >>> be able to recreate their effort (good luck with that unintended result >>> you created, your shot foot must start to hurt *big time*) >>> >>> Then CentOS Board decided to sell CentOS to Red Hat, same as now there >>> was no discussion, no debate, community was not asked at all. Since it >>> was said CentOS Linux will not be killed, and people working hard got >>> their financial reward, I accepted they did not ask anyone and moved on. >>> And accepted that any wish, complaint or demand of the community that >>> was not in the interest of CentOS Board would be simply dismissed, so >>> why bother raising any when I still got what interested me, free RHEL clone? >>> >>> I believe that same sentiment was on minds of majority of CentOS users, >>> as long as it serves our interests we would allow them to do what ever >>> they want. I never heard of Springdale and I did not like Oracle as a >>> company, so CentOS was the only free RHEL clone in my mind. >>> >>> So if you are truly asking why no one objected to what CentOS Board >>> decided without asking anyone in the community, it was pointlessness of >>> the effort. >>> >>> This time around my interest WAS violated, but considering the futility >>> of the opposition, I will just find me another RHEL clone to use. I am >>> staying in CentOS community for another 4 years because I have several >>> CentOS 7 servers, and I might even install 1 more in next few days, to >>> replace mail CentOS 6 server. 4 years will be enough for it. >>> >>> The only reason I am replying on CentOS mailing lists is to keep you Red >>> Hat employees from claiming victory and making unfounded conclussions >>> since all opposition decided ti is pointless in arguing with you, you >>> will not prolong "CentOS Linux 8" life to 2029. I can be stubborn in >>> that regard when someone tries to play me for a fool (like with >>> "outdated document/promise" crap). >> >> I totally agree with all is written above and thought as I read Mike's affirmations, I couldn't say it better. >> >> Jean-Marc > > It sounds like the existing CentOS community wasn't working for anyone. Let's make sure to do better going forward and setup something that will function properly for those involved. > > -Mike You keep reiterating this. The CentOS community was never perfect but it scratch the itch just enough to make it not worth rocking the boat. Implying the old method wasn't perfectly liked so everyone should be happy it is being thrown out with 1 year of notice is a little frustrating to hear. There is something really off about how you are rationalizing this. As to the "let's make sure," *who* exaclty is the members of this "let's?" How do *I* make sure the openness gap is closed for the kernel SRPM going forward? How do *I* make board meeting transcripts appear? It seems Red Hat has made sure the ball is in their court going forward and thumbed their nose at the community with "expired" documents. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/attachments/20201226/bc4579fc/attachment-0005.html>