On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 9:50 AM Jean-Marc Liger < jean-marc.liger at parisdescartes.fr> wrote: > Le 26/12/2020 à 13:08, Ljubomir Ljubojevic a écrit : > > On 12/26/20 1:15 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > If you truly wanted to keep that firewall in place. You, or someone, > should have complained two years ago when the CentOS infrastructure team > formally joined the RHEL team as "CPE". There were no objections to > that and it was largely seen as a positive move by everyone I've talked > to. If that was something so important to you, I think it's on you to > pay attention and raise those concerns when they were happening. > > Even before CentOS was bought by Red Hat, I have seen people who wanted > to join building efforts (mostly?) turned away. CentOS devs were and > stayed exclusive club doing magic behind armored doors. Various reasons > were given, keeping security high, preventing other cloning projects > from getting better, etc. I did not care enough to speak up, especially > since it would not have maid difference. > > That is the reason CloudLinux promised foundation that will keep > complete procedure and ALL tools to clone RHEL accessible, anyone will > be able to recreate their effort (good luck with that unintended result > you created, your shot foot must start to hurt *big time*) > > Then CentOS Board decided to sell CentOS to Red Hat, same as now there > was no discussion, no debate, community was not asked at all. Since it > was said CentOS Linux will not be killed, and people working hard got > their financial reward, I accepted they did not ask anyone and moved on. > And accepted that any wish, complaint or demand of the community that > was not in the interest of CentOS Board would be simply dismissed, so > why bother raising any when I still got what interested me, free RHEL clone? > > I believe that same sentiment was on minds of majority of CentOS users, > as long as it serves our interests we would allow them to do what ever > they want. I never heard of Springdale and I did not like Oracle as a > company, so CentOS was the only free RHEL clone in my mind. > > So if you are truly asking why no one objected to what CentOS Board > decided without asking anyone in the community, it was pointlessness of > the effort. > > This time around my interest WAS violated, but considering the futility > of the opposition, I will just find me another RHEL clone to use. I am > staying in CentOS community for another 4 years because I have several > CentOS 7 servers, and I might even install 1 more in next few days, to > replace mail CentOS 6 server. 4 years will be enough for it. > > The only reason I am replying on CentOS mailing lists is to keep you Red > Hat employees from claiming victory and making unfounded conclussions > since all opposition decided ti is pointless in arguing with you, you > will not prolong "CentOS Linux 8" life to 2029. I can be stubborn in > that regard when someone tries to play me for a fool (like with > "outdated document/promise" crap). > > > I totally agree with all is written above and thought as I read Mike's > affirmations, I couldn't say it better. > > Jean-Marc > > It sounds like the existing CentOS community wasn't working for anyone. Let's make sure to do better going forward and setup something that will function properly for those involved. -Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/attachments/20201226/39ab988a/attachment-0005.html>