On 12/27/20 3:48 PM, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: >>>> What will happen to your system when/if there is new kernel change >>>> every >>>> few days? How much "punishment" can your system handle safely? >>> >>> You certainly control when you can and want upgrade your deployment >>> systems. It has nothing to do with the cadence of updates coming into a >>> distribution. >>> >>> I find this fixation on the kernel updates is skewing things a lot. >>> Kernel, certainly, is important, but it is not the thing that is RHEL or >>> CentOS distribution, alone. >>> >> It is crucial issue if you install any kernel module not provided by Red >> Hat (3rd party drivers). If some software that you might or might not >> use brakes, you can mess around your working system and fix it. >> But if after dnf update your system crashes or network is down, and it >> is bare metal system, they you are f**ked, you need to reach the system >> manually (I install on regular PC hardware without ILO) and reverse to >> prior kernel. Even if I am quick about it, it will be very embarrassing >> for me in front of my clients (small in number as they are) whose work >> will stop for that period, so I will not be caught dead using CentOS >> Stream, I do not need the potential headache, embarrassment. > > That's pretty obvious with any system, really, no need to repeat that. > I think this topic was raised multiple times (by you and others already) > to realize that. In an ideal collaborative world, perhaps, those > 3rd-party drivers could be build and tested automatically on top of the > CentOS Stream, though we are yet to reach that point of collaboration. Seams it IS needed since you think it is not that important and I think it is crucial. When you dismissed it so easily as irrelevant, I thought you were not informed. > > Following your approach to a detailed information about the Stream, > we've been told there are various RHEL subscription programs coming next > year that would address use of RHEL for many existing CentOS users. > Perhaps, those programs would address the needs of consumers of > 3rd-party drivers too, before we'd reach the collaboration ideal I > outlined above. Let's see how that goes. > So you think Red Hat will offer no-cost subscription to a small 5-10 employee company, not in any way related to education or non-profits, that needs 1 CPU / 16-32GB RAM Linux server for mdadm RAID10 + Samba + KVM ? -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant