[CentOS-devel] Balancing the needs around the RHEL platform

Mon Dec 28 00:50:22 UTC 2020
Julien Pivotto <roidelapluie at inuits.eu>

On 28 Dec 01:24, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> On 12/27/20 3:48 PM, Alexander Bokovoy wrote:
> >>>> What will happen to your system when/if there is new kernel change
> >>>> every
> >>>> few days? How much "punishment" can your system handle safely?
> >>>
> >>> You certainly control when you can and want upgrade your deployment
> >>> systems. It has nothing to do with the cadence of updates coming into a
> >>> distribution.
> >>>
> >>> I find this fixation on the kernel updates is skewing things a lot.
> >>> Kernel, certainly, is important, but it is not the thing that is RHEL or
> >>> CentOS distribution, alone.
> >>>
> >> It is crucial issue if you install any kernel module not provided by Red
> >> Hat (3rd party drivers). If some software that you might or might not
> >> use brakes, you can mess around your working system and fix it.
> >> But if after dnf update your system crashes or network is down, and it
> >> is bare metal system, they you are f**ked, you need to reach the system
> >> manually (I install on regular PC hardware without ILO) and reverse to
> >> prior kernel. Even if I am quick about it, it will be very embarrassing
> >> for me in front of my clients (small in number as they are) whose work
> >> will stop for that period, so I will not be caught dead using CentOS
> >> Stream, I do not need the potential headache, embarrassment.
> > 
> > That's pretty obvious with any system, really, no need to repeat that.
> > I think this topic was raised multiple times (by you and others already)
> > to realize that. In an ideal collaborative world, perhaps, those
> > 3rd-party drivers could be build and tested automatically on top of the
> > CentOS Stream, though we are yet to reach that point of collaboration.
> Seams it IS needed since you think it is not that important and I think
> it is crucial. When you dismissed it so easily as irrelevant, I thought
> you were not informed.
> > 
> > Following your approach to a detailed information about the Stream,
> > we've been told there are various RHEL subscription programs coming next
> > year that would address use of RHEL for many existing CentOS users.
> > Perhaps, those programs would address the needs of consumers of
> > 3rd-party drivers too, before we'd reach the collaboration ideal I
> > outlined above. Let's see how that goes.
> > 
> So you think Red Hat will offer no-cost subscription to a small 5-10
> employee company, not in any way related to education or non-profits,
> that needs 1 CPU / 16-32GB RAM Linux server for mdadm RAID10 + Samba + KVM ?

This is a question for  centos-questions at redhat.com  not for this list.

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