On 28 Dec 01:24, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > On 12/27/20 3:48 PM, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > >>>> What will happen to your system when/if there is new kernel change > >>>> every > >>>> few days? How much "punishment" can your system handle safely? > >>> > >>> You certainly control when you can and want upgrade your deployment > >>> systems. It has nothing to do with the cadence of updates coming into a > >>> distribution. > >>> > >>> I find this fixation on the kernel updates is skewing things a lot. > >>> Kernel, certainly, is important, but it is not the thing that is RHEL or > >>> CentOS distribution, alone. > >>> > >> It is crucial issue if you install any kernel module not provided by Red > >> Hat (3rd party drivers). If some software that you might or might not > >> use brakes, you can mess around your working system and fix it. > >> But if after dnf update your system crashes or network is down, and it > >> is bare metal system, they you are f**ked, you need to reach the system > >> manually (I install on regular PC hardware without ILO) and reverse to > >> prior kernel. Even if I am quick about it, it will be very embarrassing > >> for me in front of my clients (small in number as they are) whose work > >> will stop for that period, so I will not be caught dead using CentOS > >> Stream, I do not need the potential headache, embarrassment. > > > > That's pretty obvious with any system, really, no need to repeat that. > > I think this topic was raised multiple times (by you and others already) > > to realize that. In an ideal collaborative world, perhaps, those > > 3rd-party drivers could be build and tested automatically on top of the > > CentOS Stream, though we are yet to reach that point of collaboration. > > Seams it IS needed since you think it is not that important and I think > it is crucial. When you dismissed it so easily as irrelevant, I thought > you were not informed. > > > > > Following your approach to a detailed information about the Stream, > > we've been told there are various RHEL subscription programs coming next > > year that would address use of RHEL for many existing CentOS users. > > Perhaps, those programs would address the needs of consumers of > > 3rd-party drivers too, before we'd reach the collaboration ideal I > > outlined above. Let's see how that goes. > > > So you think Red Hat will offer no-cost subscription to a small 5-10 > employee company, not in any way related to education or non-profits, > that needs 1 CPU / 16-32GB RAM Linux server for mdadm RAID10 + Samba + KVM ? This is a question for centos-questions at redhat.com not for this list. > > > > -- > Ljubomir Ljubojevic > (Love is in the Air) > PL Computers > Serbia, Europe > > StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant > _______________________________________________ > CentOS-devel mailing list > CentOS-devel at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel -- (o- Julien Pivotto //\ Config Management SIG V_/_ https://frama.link/cfgmgmt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 228 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/attachments/20201228/407b1740/attachment-0005.sig>