[CentOS-devel] A Big Idea for a New Decade [was: Minutes for CentOS Board of Directors 2019-12-18 Meeting]

Neal Gompa

ngompa13 at gmail.com
Tue Jan 7 13:59:17 UTC 2020

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:48 AM Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh at redhat.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 7:11 AM Neal Gompa <ngompa13 at gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> > What I'm more concerned about is that if you eliminate Fedora from any
> > meaningful server based development, you strip all the opportunities
> > for people to iterate on server-oriented changes before they go into
> > rhel-rawhide and push into CentOS Stream. You also essentially kneecap
> > any motivation for other things related to server environments to
> > iterate faster (such as language stacks that are heavily used for web
> > service software) because you've eliminated the major ability for that
> > to ship to users and contributors. It also further accelerates a trend
> > that I think we need to reverse where people consider Fedora
> > unacceptable for server roles. If anything, Fedora is a lot better at
> > being used for servers then it was five years ago. I've personally
> > *stopped* using CentOS for servers because Fedora has gotten so good
> > at it. Upgrades are a breeze and stuff generally works. When it
> > doesn't, it's fixable! That last part is key. With CentOS, it's not,
> > because it has to bounce back into Red Hat first. And Red Hat doesn't
> > really care about issues discovered by CentOS users, and there are no
> > "CentOS developers".
> >
> >
> > So, what this long email is actually saying is that I think it's an
> > interesting idea to bring the two projects together, but eliminating
> > aspects of Fedora in favor of CentOS is premature because CentOS has
> > not actually developed as a community project. Maybe it's worth
> > revisiting after six years of actual community development?
> I don't think Matthew suggested that we'd stop development of server
> technologies in Fedora. I think he was saying that we'd drop the
> "Fedora Server Edition" as a user-targeted deliverable. This is an
> important distinction. We'd instead focus on server technology
> development atop the container and Fedora Cloud Edition use-cases.

Today's Cloud Edition is mostly a further stripped down Server Edition
variant with different words in the branding. It's our deliverable for
clouds like AWS and cloud-like VPSes like DigitalOcean.

However, Fedora Server Edition is what people use to run their
*own* servers with Fedora, and that also includes things like VMs in
more traditional hypervisor setups (oVirt/RHV, VMware,
XCP-ng/XenServer, etc.).

The key difference between Server and Cloud Edition is the usage of
Anaconda to install Fedora. I'm pretty sure we still want to be
continually validating *that* works, especially since it's a different
codepath in Anaconda from the desktop flavors.

真実はいつも一つ!/ Always, there's only one truth!

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