On 3/20/20 2:46 PM, Karsten Wade wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I hope this email finds you well and at some ease, in the midst of all > things. > > Thanks Tuomas for keeping this conversation going, as we all work on > improving how the CentOS Project makes decisions in the open as a > community. In this long-ish email I am going to describe the open > decision process the Board of Directors wants to see followed for this > logo work. The same process can be applied to the website redesign, too. > > = Context > > With apologies for any confusion I caused for Tuomas, Alain, and > Simas--who have held an excellent open design discussion ( > https://git.centos.org/centos/Artwork/issue/1 )--I am making a few minor > adjustments in the plan to slow things down a bit. To make sure that > people across the CentOS community are at least aware of what is being > worked on. > > I think some people with a stake in this project are not fully aware of > the proposed changes, and need an opportunity especially as participants > and contributors to give input, feedback, and design thinking toward the > final logo. > > It hasn't been clear so far where decisions should be made, who chooses > what goes into the final design, and who says that design should be the > new logo. Or even if there should be a new logo at all! > > The unclear part is largely because the CentOS Board hasn't communicated > our intentions clearly, I'm sorry about that, and I'd like to fix that here. > > The process the CentOS Board wants should look like the one below. We're > asking the three designers who have done the work so far (areguera, > brokenkeyframe, tigert) to lead this discussion. I am the Director > responsible for supporting that discussion and helping it get to a > conclusion. > > The goal is to have a design that the community likes, understands, and > accepts, which the Board of Directors can basically rubber-stamp, i.e., > approve without further discussion/argument. (Expect some Directors to > provide input as community members, that is how we get our voices heard > in the design decision process.) > > = Open design decision process > > 0. I have taken the logo off the Board agenda for the next meeting, and > won't put it back on until after this community has concluded its process. > > 1. For the next $time_period (perhaps until 08 April?) is the > second-to-last window for input on the design, and suggestions for any > new designs are also considered. > > 2. For two (or three?) weeks after that ~08 April date, the current and > new designs undergo iterations between the designers. This includes the > designers involved so far plus anyone else who comes along willing to do > the work. > > 3. During those design iteration weeks, the process includes a robust > back-and-forth between the designers that the rest of the community can > observe. Designers set their own tolerance for how much feedback they > want during this time window. They may choose, for example, to do a > daily survey of design iterations using a survey tool to help them track > the sentiment without wading through comments. > > 4. At the end of the design iteration weeks, the designers send back to > the community the design(s) they feel are worthy of further > consideration or decision. These may be the final design suggestions, > depending on how the collective designers feel. > > 5. For two weeks following, interested community members are involved in > helping choose the final design. Or those are two weeks of feedback, > followed by another design iteration window, depending on the consensus > of the designers and the interested community. I recommend we only > schedule up to two iterations, and welcome the insight of the waaaaay > more experienced designers as to what they want. > > 6. The final decision is approved (rubber-stamped) by the Board; I > conclude the trademark work in parallel. > > The above can be slowed down even further -- it might be too fast with > the way things are right now in the world; there is no need to rush, we > just don't want an open-ended process. It's better to set a deadline and > adjust it outward, at this point. > > What do you all think about this? > > Best - Karsten I think CentOS Linux and the CentOS Project has developed a brand .. people know what it is, and I, for one, do not want it to change. I am fine with approving a new, Single color Logo with a more standard font as an additive brand, but I like the logo that we have had for the last 17 years .. well, once we go rid of the pink text :). I don't want to prevent all change .. but I do think legacy is also important. > > On 3/18/20 5:27 AM, Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote: > >> Hello everyone. I hope everyone is coping as well as possible in the >> current events. >> >> There has been a collaborative design effort to update the CentOS logo >> and brand, and >> we are on the agenda of the next CentOS board meeting (in a week) >> to present an update to the current CentOS branding for approval. We >> are excited to be at this point. >> >> In the spirit of openness, and because we are human, it could be that >> some of us have missed the earlier mail about this >> [https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2020-January/036517.html] >> So, I am announcing this yet once more, to make sure everyone is aware >> of our progress, the upcoming decision, and has a final chance to >> voice possible concerns and give feedback. >> >> I want to avoid sending attachments to the mailing list, so please see >> the blog post i wrote on January which summarizes the process and >> features the proposed logo and brand >> updates: https://blog.centos.org/2020/01/updating-the-centos-logo-and-visual-style/ >> >> Also, the issue on git.centos.org <http://git.centos.org> can be >> interesting reading for anyone interested in how we have reached this >> point: https://git.centos.org/centos/Artwork/issue/1 >> >> The feedback we have received so far has been positive and >> constructive, so let us know of any concerns you might have. >> >> Best regards, >> Tuomas Kuosmanen >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CentOS-devel mailing list >> CentOS-devel at centos.org >> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS-devel mailing list > CentOS-devel at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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