[CentOS-devel] Documenting the CentOS Linux 8 EOL process

Fri Jul 9 11:22:44 UTC 2021
Stephen John Smoogen <smooge at gmail.com>

On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 at 07:03, Julien Pivotto <roidelapluie at inuits.eu> wrote:
> So it is better for CentOS to keep the users rather than letting them go elsewhere.

Not always. It is a disservice to try and keep users who 'value'
things a project no longer offers to them. Many people value CentOS as
a drop-in-replacement for RHEL. They don't have to think about it, and
they don't have to have any sort of 'relationship' with either CentOS
or anyone else. Many of the people I have known in CentOS over the
years have been proud of the fact that it is an 'anti-social'
community. [Several put it is that is the reason why the CentOS logo
has all its arrows going out. (It isn't actually but it was seen by
them as such)]

CentOS Stream is about building a co-operative relationship between
the consumers and the distribution where what the distribution builds
is evaluated and feedback is given. If a consumer is expecting never
to have problems, to never have to file/track a bugzilla or ever even
check to see what is being delivered.. then CentOS Stream is not the
distribution for them. Because even if it doesn't look like it, there
is a very very large gap between 'never' and 'once in a while' that
might happen with Stream. There is a need for co-operation between the
consumer of stream and the makers to get things right. If you do not
have time, energy, or want to do that, then Stream is going to be a
constant thorn. The consumer in that case would be better off with
another rebuild.

> Le 9 juil. 2021 12:27, Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel at gmail.com> a écrit :
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 5:45 AM Julien Pivotto <roidelapluie at inuits.eu> wrote:
> >
> > On 09 Jul 02:45, John R. Dennison wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 08:09:22AM +0200, Julien Pivotto wrote:
> > >
> > > Could you please configure your MUA to send text/plain or similar to the
> > > CentOS lists?
> >
> > Sorry, the one and only time I sent a mail from my phone :(
> >
> > Providing stream as a continuity of 8 is the best thing to do, to show
> > that we are confident and that the whole "stream fits most of the CentOS
> > use case". It also has the side effect of better protecting the
> > internet.
> >
> > Note that it will put a lot of pressure and bring a lot of users on
> > stream.  It is a giant opportunity for stream, probably a unique
> > opportunity.
> Stream is driving users and companies away from CentOS. Many are
> reviewing their previous usage and support. Many are questioning the
> wisdom of a migration to RHEL and reviewing other options, such as non
> RHEL based operating systems or a different supported operating
> system. Amazon Linux 2, for example, has picked up a lot of clients by
> porting more contemporary versions of system components like Python
> 3.7 to their RHEL 7 based operating system.
> The backfire already happened. Having a solid end-date for the point
> releases puts a timetable on migration decisions, which is useful.
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Stephen J Smoogen.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Flame wars in
sci.astro.orion. I have seen SPAM filters overload because of Godwin's
Law. All those moments will be lost in time... like posts on  BBS...
time to reboot.