[CentOS-devel] Missing packages on Devel repo

Thu Nov 18 14:47:47 UTC 2021
Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org>

On 11/18/21 08:20, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 9:12 AM Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 7:45 AM Josh Boyer <jwboyer at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 7:15 AM Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 4:46 PM Brian Stinson <brian at bstinson.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021, at 14:47, Odilon Junior wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> As the $SUBJECT says, after the latest release of Centos 8,  the Devel[1] repo is not populated.
>>>>> I can see the packages for 8.4.2105[2]. Is this expected for this latest release?
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Odilon
>>>>> 1 - http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/
>>>>> 2 - https://vault.centos.org/8.4.2105/Devel/
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> That is expected. Just a reminder CentOS Linux 8 goes End Of Life in December: https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/ please plan accordingly.
>>>> I don't think anyone expected this. There was no reason to expect the
>>>> individual channel to be shut off several months in advance of the EOL
>>>> of the operating system. It's like moving the family to a new house
>>>> only after the move announce that the dog is not coming with us.
>>>> This breaks working tools, like my tools that backport samba with full
>>>> and stable Heimdal based Kerberos  According to the Samba maintainers,
>>>> the MIT kerberos used by the latest Fedora releases is not yet well
>>>> enough integrated for production work, which is why I publish
>>>> https://github.com/nkadel/samba4repo/ for Fedor and for RHEL releases.
>>>> But they rely on 'quota-devel' for compilation, which is used by RHEL
>>>> and CentOS for compiling their more limited versions of Samba but is
>>>> arbitrarily hidden under tablecloth over in the 'Devel' channel.
>>> quota-devel is available in PowerTools
>>> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/PowerTools/x86_64/os/Packages/quota-devel-4.04-14.el8.x86_64.rpm
>>> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/PowerTools/x86_64/os/Packages/quota-devel-4.04-14.el8.x86_64.rpm
>> It was previously over in 'Devel', until May as hinted by the RPM
>> timestamps. Try:
>>         mock -r epel-8-x86_64 install quota-devel
>> That works now if the 'Devel' repo is left disabled, but if the
>> 'Devel' repo is enabled, which it was in my "mock" setups due to just
>> this package, it now breaks. That's no longer a direct hindrance, but
>> it left my setups broken yesterday.
> I would encourage everyone to ignore the Devel repo.  This is an
> unpopular opinion, but it shouldn't have been created to begin with.
>> I'm afraid it reinforces my point about arbitrary and software
>> breaking re-arrangements of RPMs. It's part of why some companies and
>> some developers are simply refusing to touch RHEL 8 and CentOS 8.
> I can understand your frustration, but in this case someone followed
> the process to request the package be added in a user facing
> repository.  It wasn't arbitrary, but information about the request
> and inclusion could be better.
>>>>> If you need a package that was previously in the Devel repo to support your migration you may download from vault.centos.org or from the buildsystem: https://koji.mbox.centos.org
>>>>> --Brian
>>>> This kind of arbitrary, unannounced and unwelcome change is part of
>>>> why people are losing trust in Red Hat and in CentOS as a reliable
>>>> rebuild of RHEL It's mirrored by the very peculiar and illogical split
>>>> up of "ansible" to "ansible-core" and "ansible", which I've written
>>>> about elsewhere. This kind of refactoring is unwelcome and breaks
>>>> things, I'd have expected better from RHEL a few years ago. Now....
>>>> I've lost considerable confidence in Red Hat and in CentOS
>>> ansible is a separate product from RHEL and is not part of RHEL
>>> itself.  The refactoring is something the Ansible product is pursuing
>>> and we have to adapt to their plans.  As a result, we will be
>>> including ansible-core in RHEL to enable rhel-system-roles, but the
>>> bulk of what people consider 'ansible' to be will still need to be
>>> acquired from outside of RHEL.
>> That makes sense on the part of RHEL maintainers. In fact, I've
>> published backports from Fedora rawhide which EPEL or RHEL are welcome
>> to, over at https://github.com/nkadel/ansiblerepo/. I've even
>> published a new ansible-4.8.0 RPM building tool there as well,
>> although I intensely dislike that oversized agglomeration of 135
>> distinct modules.
>> But since Ansible is now owned by Red Hat, it would seem disingenuous
>> to merley say "it's not part of RHEL". I pointed to it as an example
>> of what is happening at Red Hat recently, breaking working tools with
>> unexpected and unwelcome RPM re-arrangements. People like me can work
>> around them fairly easily, but it sows distrust of Red Hat software
>> suites.
> I was only pointing it out because your original comment seemed to
> imply that ansible should be included in the scope of a rebuild of
> RHEL.  It's not.
> Given the short time left, I'll take the opportunity to remind
> everyone that CentOS is no longer going to be centered around a
> rebuild of RHEL for RHEL 8+.  CentOS Linux 8 will be EOL on December
> 31, 2021.

And guys .. this is key to understand.

CentOS Linux 8.5.2111 will, just like the older 8.4.2105, be moved to 
vault in a few short weeks (End of Jan 2022). CentOS Linux is EOL on 
12/31/2021 as explained here:


You absolutely should not be using Centos Linux 8 for anything important 
at this time.

If you are using CentOS Linux 8, you need to be figuring out how to move 
to something that will get updates past 12/31/2021.

If the items you need to build things are not in CentOS Stream 8, then, 
as Brain said, you can get anything we have built from:


CentOS Linux 7 will continue to be maintained as is until its normal EOL 
on 30 June 2024.

None of this is new and has been public for more than a year.  It is 
happening on 12/31/2021.

Johnny Hughes