Am 18.11.21 um 15:20 schrieb Josh Boyer: > On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 9:12 AM Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 7:45 AM Josh Boyer <jwboyer at redhat.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 7:15 AM Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 4:46 PM Brian Stinson <brian at bstinson.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021, at 14:47, Odilon Junior wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> As the $SUBJECT says, after the latest release of Centos 8, the Devel[1] repo is not populated. >>>>> >>>>> I can see the packages for 8.4.2105[2]. Is this expected for this latest release? >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Odilon >>>>> >>>>> 1 - http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/Devel/x86_64/ >>>>> 2 - https://vault.centos.org/8.4.2105/Devel/ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> CentOS-devel mailing list >>>>> CentOS-devel at centos.org >>>>> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That is expected. Just a reminder CentOS Linux 8 goes End Of Life in December: https://www.centos.org/centos-linux-eol/ please plan accordingly. >>>> >>>> I don't think anyone expected this. There was no reason to expect the >>>> individual channel to be shut off several months in advance of the EOL >>>> of the operating system. It's like moving the family to a new house >>>> only after the move announce that the dog is not coming with us. >>>> >>>> This breaks working tools, like my tools that backport samba with full >>>> and stable Heimdal based Kerberos According to the Samba maintainers, >>>> the MIT kerberos used by the latest Fedora releases is not yet well >>>> enough integrated for production work, which is why I publish >>>> https://github.com/nkadel/samba4repo/ for Fedor and for RHEL releases. >>>> But they rely on 'quota-devel' for compilation, which is used by RHEL >>>> and CentOS for compiling their more limited versions of Samba but is >>>> arbitrarily hidden under tablecloth over in the 'Devel' channel. >>> >>> quota-devel is available in PowerTools >>> >>> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8-stream/PowerTools/x86_64/os/Packages/quota-devel-4.04-14.el8.x86_64.rpm >>> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/8/PowerTools/x86_64/os/Packages/quota-devel-4.04-14.el8.x86_64.rpm >> >> It was previously over in 'Devel', until May as hinted by the RPM >> timestamps. Try: >> >> mock -r epel-8-x86_64 install quota-devel >> >> That works now if the 'Devel' repo is left disabled, but if the >> 'Devel' repo is enabled, which it was in my "mock" setups due to just >> this package, it now breaks. That's no longer a direct hindrance, but >> it left my setups broken yesterday. > > I would encourage everyone to ignore the Devel repo. This is an > unpopular opinion, but it shouldn't have been created to begin with. > >> I'm afraid it reinforces my point about arbitrary and software >> breaking re-arrangements of RPMs. It's part of why some companies and >> some developers are simply refusing to touch RHEL 8 and CentOS 8. > > I can understand your frustration, but in this case someone followed > the process to request the package be added in a user facing > repository. It wasn't arbitrary, but information about the request > and inclusion could be better. I think that such discussion misses the actual point. It is not about EOL or whatever. Its about communication beforeand and consistency or to use a concept that the audience a very familiar with, its about deterministic behavior. About the request; maybe all centos bug entries should be filled in the bugzilla of RH (category: _unreleased_devel_pkgs)? https://bugs.centos.org/view_all_set.php?filter=619675a0165f2&sort_add=category_id&dir_add=ASC&type=2 @Johnny: Thanks for the effort ... About ansible: @Nico: Maybe it is worth to work with Kevin together? https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/SRR62B2M3XXRSCRIZDEAUNNJF4K3O7DW/ -- Leon