Am 09.01.24 um 13:49 schrieb Neal Gompa: > On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 7:17 AM Simon Matter <simon.matter at invoca.ch> wrote: >> >>> Am 09.01.24 um 00:52 schrieb John Cooper via CentOS-devel: >>>> Additionally I don’t know how many of you can get or read the PC Pro >>>> publication. However in one of their issues last year they were >>>> providing options for what people can do when Windows 10 comes to the >>>> end of its support lifecycle. >>>> >>>> One of the options was to switch to Linux they only mentioned Ubuntu >>>> Linux and Linux Mint. Though that doesn’t preclude people switching to >>>> RHEL on their ex-Windows 10 computers when that point is reached. Though >>>> there’s the options of RHEL 8 and RHEL 9 it would be advantageous in >>>> several respects including environmental ones, to take it into account >>>> for RHEL 10. It may even be a basis for a conversion campaign involving >>>> compatible systems that were once Windows 10, to promote conversion from >>>> Windows 10 to RHEL 10. >>>> >>>> Just think of the irony of going from Windows 10 to RHEL 10 as your new >>>> operating system on the computer! >>>> >>> >>> That would be funny but - it seems that RH's agenda does not have a >>> focus on workstation scenarios anymore. Main productivity applications >>> are already marked as deprecated. So, they will not be included in a >>> future major release: >>> >>> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/9/html/9.3_release_notes/deprecated-functionality#deprecated-packages >> >> I'm working for a company in the retail business and we're running >> exclusively on (RH)EL/clones for the lasts decades. Also running remote >> desktops using our own solution based on NX libs. It was a pain to realize >> that RHEL is drifting away more and more from providing what is required >> in our environment. It became clearer and clearer that our future road >> will go away from RHEL despite maintaining quite a large inhouse repo for >> all kind of our own packages of software used, from development to normal >> office to server applications. >> > > None of these packages are a surprise though: Qt 5 is being replaced > with Qt 6[1], Motif is dead, Xorg is being replaced with Xwayland[2], > LibreOffice transitioned to the community in Fedora in the summer[3], > GTK2 is EOL upstream, gedit is replaced with gnome-text-editor[4][5], > etc. > > If people care about using RHEL as a workstation as customers, they > should be making that known through their contacts with Red Hat Sales > and Red Hat Support. What I've gathered so far is that this is > happening for some of them because they believe customers aren't > really using them and so the effort is wasted. Some of them are for > other reasons (Motif/GTK2 being dead, Wayland being the future, etc.), > but dedicated RHEL workstation priority use-cases are counted through > purchases of RHEL subscriptions for that purpose. If you're not doing > that, then it's no surprise they think nobody is using them. I just gave a hint and also mainly about "productivity applications" (not widget toolkits). For instance, Libreoffice is gone in the future (EL10). Evolution (nativ e-mail client) is deprecated already. rhythmbox not in EL9 anymore. Even my tech docs written in LaTeX can't be build anymore (missing TeX parts). I could investigate more scenarios where RHEL as workstation would not fulfill the requirements (its off-topic already). Just a week ago, I build gnome-network-displays for EL9 locally to stream my display to a screen for productivity proposes. Someone could argue that this should be all in containers (its the future right? - My prediction is, that some day RHEL will be an Immutable OS). On the other side and for the sake of fairness; RH is pushing Wayland (as you already said) and working on HDR/GPU support [1] and thats great! I don't think that RH thinks that nobody is using RHEL on desktop computers. Its just a matter of resources that pushes such decisions. So, you a right, if just the half of the server variant subscriptions would exist for the workstation variant ... [1] https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/rhel-10-plans-wayland-and-xorg-server -- Leon