On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 at 14:16, Leon Fauster via CentOS-devel <centos-devel at centos.org> wrote: > > Am 09.01.24 um 13:49 schrieb Neal Gompa: > > On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 7:17 AM Simon Matter <simon.matter at invoca.ch> wrote: > >> > >>> Am 09.01.24 um 00:52 schrieb John Cooper via CentOS-devel: > >>>> Additionally I don’t know how many of you can get or read the PC Pro > >>>> publication. However in one of their issues last year they were > >>>> providing options for what people can do when Windows 10 comes to the > >>>> end of its support lifecycle. > >>>> > >>>> One of the options was to switch to Linux they only mentioned Ubuntu > >>>> Linux and Linux Mint. Though that doesn’t preclude people switching to > >>>> RHEL on their ex-Windows 10 computers when that point is reached. Though > >>>> there’s the options of RHEL 8 and RHEL 9 it would be advantageous in > >>>> several respects including environmental ones, to take it into account > >>>> for RHEL 10. It may even be a basis for a conversion campaign involving > >>>> compatible systems that were once Windows 10, to promote conversion from > >>>> Windows 10 to RHEL 10. > >>>> > >>>> Just think of the irony of going from Windows 10 to RHEL 10 as your new > >>>> operating system on the computer! > >>>> > >>> > >>> That would be funny but - it seems that RH's agenda does not have a > >>> focus on workstation scenarios anymore. Main productivity applications > >>> are already marked as deprecated. So, they will not be included in a > >>> future major release: > >>> > >>> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/9/html/9.3_release_notes/deprecated-functionality#deprecated-packages > >> > >> I'm working for a company in the retail business and we're running > >> exclusively on (RH)EL/clones for the lasts decades. Also running remote > >> desktops using our own solution based on NX libs. It was a pain to realize > >> that RHEL is drifting away more and more from providing what is required > >> in our environment. It became clearer and clearer that our future road > >> will go away from RHEL despite maintaining quite a large inhouse repo for > >> all kind of our own packages of software used, from development to normal > >> office to server applications. > >> > > > > None of these packages are a surprise though: Qt 5 is being replaced > > with Qt 6[1], Motif is dead, Xorg is being replaced with Xwayland[2], > > LibreOffice transitioned to the community in Fedora in the summer[3], > > GTK2 is EOL upstream, gedit is replaced with gnome-text-editor[4][5], > > etc. > > > > If people care about using RHEL as a workstation as customers, they > > should be making that known through their contacts with Red Hat Sales > > and Red Hat Support. What I've gathered so far is that this is > > happening for some of them because they believe customers aren't > > really using them and so the effort is wasted. Some of them are for > > other reasons (Motif/GTK2 being dead, Wayland being the future, etc.), > > but dedicated RHEL workstation priority use-cases are counted through > > purchases of RHEL subscriptions for that purpose. If you're not doing > > that, then it's no surprise they think nobody is using them. > > > I just gave a hint and also mainly about "productivity applications" > (not widget toolkits). For instance, Libreoffice is gone in the future > (EL10). Evolution (nativ e-mail client) is deprecated already. rhythmbox > not in EL9 anymore. Even my tech docs written in LaTeX can't be build > anymore (missing TeX parts). I could investigate more scenarios where > RHEL as workstation would not fulfill the requirements (its off-topic > already). Just a week ago, I build gnome-network-displays for EL9 > locally to stream my display to a screen for productivity proposes. > > Someone could argue that this should be all in containers (its the > future right? - My prediction is, that some day RHEL will be an > Immutable OS). FWIW, containers are a great solution if you can't find a package for your given distro (it's the first alternative I look to). Most UI applications work great these days in a container via toolbox/distrobox. > > On the other side and for the sake of fairness; RH is pushing > Wayland (as you already said) and working on HDR/GPU support [1] > and thats great! > > > I don't think that RH thinks that nobody is using RHEL on desktop > computers. Its just a matter of resources that pushes such decisions. > So, you a right, if just the half of the server variant subscriptions > would exist for the workstation variant ... > > > [1] https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/rhel-10-plans-wayland-and-xorg-server > > > -- > Leon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS-devel mailing list > CentOS-devel at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel