On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 10:07 AM Simon Matter <simon.matter at invoca.ch> wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 9:19 AM Simon Matter <simon.matter at invoca.ch> > > wrote: > >> > >> > On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 7:17 AM Simon Matter <simon.matter at invoca.ch> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Am 09.01.24 um 00:52 schrieb John Cooper via CentOS-devel: > >> >> >> Additionally I don’t know how many of you can get or read the PC > >> Pro > >> >> >> publication. However in one of their issues last year they were > >> >> >> providing options for what people can do when Windows 10 comes to > >> the > >> >> >> end of its support lifecycle. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> One of the options was to switch to Linux they only mentioned > >> Ubuntu > >> >> >> Linux and Linux Mint. Though that doesn’t preclude people > >> switching > >> >> to > >> >> >> RHEL on their ex-Windows 10 computers when that point is reached. > >> >> Though > >> >> >> there’s the options of RHEL 8 and RHEL 9 it would be advantageous > >> in > >> >> >> several respects including environmental ones, to take it into > >> >> account > >> >> >> for RHEL 10. It may even be a basis for a conversion campaign > >> >> involving > >> >> >> compatible systems that were once Windows 10, to promote > >> conversion > >> >> from > >> >> >> Windows 10 to RHEL 10. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Just think of the irony of going from Windows 10 to RHEL 10 as > >> your > >> >> new > >> >> >> operating system on the computer! > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > That would be funny but - it seems that RH's agenda does not have a > >> >> > focus on workstation scenarios anymore. Main productivity > >> applications > >> >> > are already marked as deprecated. So, they will not be included in > >> a > >> >> > future major release: > >> >> > > >> >> > https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/9/html/9.3_release_notes/deprecated-functionality#deprecated-packages > >> >> > >> >> I'm working for a company in the retail business and we're running > >> >> exclusively on (RH)EL/clones for the lasts decades. Also running > >> remote > >> >> desktops using our own solution based on NX libs. It was a pain to > >> >> realize > >> >> that RHEL is drifting away more and more from providing what is > >> required > >> >> in our environment. It became clearer and clearer that our future > >> road > >> >> will go away from RHEL despite maintaining quite a large inhouse repo > >> >> for > >> >> all kind of our own packages of software used, from development to > >> >> normal > >> >> office to server applications. > >> >> > >> > > >> > None of these packages are a surprise though: Qt 5 is being replaced > >> > with Qt 6[1], Motif is dead, Xorg is being replaced with Xwayland[2], > >> > LibreOffice transitioned to the community in Fedora in the summer[3], > >> > GTK2 is EOL upstream, gedit is replaced with gnome-text-editor[4][5], > >> > etc. > >> > > >> > If people care about using RHEL as a workstation as customers, they > >> > should be making that known through their contacts with Red Hat Sales > >> > and Red Hat Support. What I've gathered so far is that this is > >> > happening for some of them because they believe customers aren't > >> > really using them and so the effort is wasted. Some of them are for > >> > other reasons (Motif/GTK2 being dead, Wayland being the future, etc.), > >> > but dedicated RHEL workstation priority use-cases are counted through > >> > purchases of RHEL subscriptions for that purpose. If you're not doing > >> > that, then it's no surprise they think nobody is using them. > >> > >> What I'd be interested to know is what Red Hat is using internally these > >> days to run their business. > >> > >> In the past I really thought they may be using their on RHEL product > >> line > >> for their corporate use. But today I start to believe they may probably > >> use > >> the same industry standard crap everybody is using. > >> > >> Would be really interesting to be a mouse in Red Hat's own offices and > >> headquarters :) > >> > > > > They switched to Fedora for their preferred Linux distribution for > > workstations last year. > > So, their HR, the bean counters in finance, the marketing specialists and > graphical designers, they're running on Fedora these days? Neal described the standardized Linux distribution in place, not who is using it. We generally don't comment on internal systems dynamics. > Of course Fedora is better suited for such office tasks than EL but on the > other side, stability is key in the corporate world, so I'm still a bit > wondering how they are doing it with Fedora. Like everyone else using Fedora. josh