> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 9:19 AM Simon Matter <simon.matter at invoca.ch> > wrote: >> >> > On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 7:17 AM Simon Matter <simon.matter at invoca.ch> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> > Am 09.01.24 um 00:52 schrieb John Cooper via CentOS-devel: >> >> >> Additionally I don’t know how many of you can get or read the PC >> Pro >> >> >> publication. However in one of their issues last year they were >> >> >> providing options for what people can do when Windows 10 comes to >> the >> >> >> end of its support lifecycle. >> >> >> >> >> >> One of the options was to switch to Linux they only mentioned >> Ubuntu >> >> >> Linux and Linux Mint. Though that doesn’t preclude people >> switching >> >> to >> >> >> RHEL on their ex-Windows 10 computers when that point is reached. >> >> Though >> >> >> there’s the options of RHEL 8 and RHEL 9 it would be advantageous >> in >> >> >> several respects including environmental ones, to take it into >> >> account >> >> >> for RHEL 10. It may even be a basis for a conversion campaign >> >> involving >> >> >> compatible systems that were once Windows 10, to promote >> conversion >> >> from >> >> >> Windows 10 to RHEL 10. >> >> >> >> >> >> Just think of the irony of going from Windows 10 to RHEL 10 as >> your >> >> new >> >> >> operating system on the computer! >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > That would be funny but - it seems that RH's agenda does not have a >> >> > focus on workstation scenarios anymore. Main productivity >> applications >> >> > are already marked as deprecated. So, they will not be included in >> a >> >> > future major release: >> >> > >> >> > https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/9/html/9.3_release_notes/deprecated-functionality#deprecated-packages >> >> >> >> I'm working for a company in the retail business and we're running >> >> exclusively on (RH)EL/clones for the lasts decades. Also running >> remote >> >> desktops using our own solution based on NX libs. It was a pain to >> >> realize >> >> that RHEL is drifting away more and more from providing what is >> required >> >> in our environment. It became clearer and clearer that our future >> road >> >> will go away from RHEL despite maintaining quite a large inhouse repo >> >> for >> >> all kind of our own packages of software used, from development to >> >> normal >> >> office to server applications. >> >> >> > >> > None of these packages are a surprise though: Qt 5 is being replaced >> > with Qt 6[1], Motif is dead, Xorg is being replaced with Xwayland[2], >> > LibreOffice transitioned to the community in Fedora in the summer[3], >> > GTK2 is EOL upstream, gedit is replaced with gnome-text-editor[4][5], >> > etc. >> > >> > If people care about using RHEL as a workstation as customers, they >> > should be making that known through their contacts with Red Hat Sales >> > and Red Hat Support. What I've gathered so far is that this is >> > happening for some of them because they believe customers aren't >> > really using them and so the effort is wasted. Some of them are for >> > other reasons (Motif/GTK2 being dead, Wayland being the future, etc.), >> > but dedicated RHEL workstation priority use-cases are counted through >> > purchases of RHEL subscriptions for that purpose. If you're not doing >> > that, then it's no surprise they think nobody is using them. >> >> What I'd be interested to know is what Red Hat is using internally these >> days to run their business. >> >> In the past I really thought they may be using their on RHEL product >> line >> for their corporate use. But today I start to believe they may probably >> use >> the same industry standard crap everybody is using. >> >> Would be really interesting to be a mouse in Red Hat's own offices and >> headquarters :) >> > > They switched to Fedora for their preferred Linux distribution for > workstations last year. So, their HR, the bean counters in finance, the marketing specialists and graphical designers, they're running on Fedora these days? Of course Fedora is better suited for such office tasks than EL but on the other side, stability is key in the corporate world, so I'm still a bit wondering how they are doing it with Fedora. Simon