Ok, that's fine. I'd *really* like to get it out before the December 8th date if at all possible. On 11/18/21 20:18, Alain Reguera Delgado wrote: > On Thu, 2021-11-18 at 10:56 -0600, Rich Bowen wrote: >> So ... Y'all think there's any chance we can push this out next week? > > Rich, wrt new logo design, I am afraid we are not ready yet. While > making some implementation tests in CentOS Stream 9, I recently > observed two problems: > > 1. The symbol image in the new logo doesn't provide an acceptable level > of contrast in all the use-cases the distribution demands. For example, > if we use dark lines, it is not visible on dark backgrounds. If we use > light lines, it is not visible on light backgrounds. If we use neutral > color lines, it doesn't look good in any case. > > 2. The symbol image is poorly recognizable in small sizes (e.g., 16x16 > pixels) as we see in Gnome Desktop, near Activities, and on the web > browser tab icon. The icon near Activities is probably the most > important image we have to identify the CentOS Project inside the > CentOS distribution because it is always visible. More than any other > image is. > > These problems will be described soon with visual evidence > in https://git.centos.org/centos/Artwork/issues, looking for community > support and proposals. These are really challenging problems (at least > for me). My guess is that we will need another open design round to > solve them and the result will be visually different from what we have > now. Some points to address/think on: > > - Recognition: It is probably necessary to simplify the symbol design > even more. It has too many lines, and when they are reduced, the symbol > starts to loose its meaning. > > - Contrast: It is probably necessary to introduce a neutral plain color > to provide a fixed background that serves as stable base to express the > CentOS Symbol meaning on top of it. So, the CentOS Symbol looks always > the same on top of different color saturation. This has been already > proposed and rejected by me without any implementation test in the > distribution. The implementation tests threw that using only lines > doesn't provide a good visual presentation inside the distribution, > specially on icons reduced in size. > > - Meaning: Whatever the solution for these problems be, it should > preserve the CentOS Symbol meaning without affecting its presentation > when the symbol is reduced to 16x16 pixels. The CentOS Symbol meaning > must be clearly expressed on that size. It must shine on that size! > > Considering the problems mentioned earlier and the timelines, I would > propose to prepare the CentOS Stream 9 launch using the historical > CentOS Symbol, until we find a solution. Note, that the historical > CentOS Symbol suffers these problems as well, but it is more > recognizable than the new one. I prefer to introduce the new symbol to > CentOS distribution when it does provide a benefit. As consequence, and > to be consistent through all visual manifestations, the historical > CentOS Symbol should be preserved on websites and promotion materials. > > Don't know if such thing is possible considering the intention and > immediate need of having the new brand active. I hope we can "as soon > as we are ready to do so" [1] > > [1] https://git.centos.org/centos/board/issue/4#comment-483 > > > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS-promo mailing list > CentOS-promo at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-promo >