[CentOS] was - Vote For CentOS now "pay for CentOS" :)

[Johnny Hughes]

On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 13:39 -0600, Greg Knaddison wrote:
> On 6/3/05, Tom <admin at homemachine.net> wrote:
> > Johnny Hughes wrote:
> > > This is because people using CentOS won't donate even $1, one time, to
> > > the project....oh well, such is life.
> > 
> > <snip>
> > 
> > good point, I gave a 1 time donation then forgot about it :(
> > have just paid again (not a lot but that's what's needed), that's my vote :)
> > 
> > PS add a remind again in x months option somewhere Johnny :D
> > 
> 
> Johnny,
> 
> I am very much appreciative of the effort that is put into CentOS.  I
> leave my machine doing BT all the time and have donated 225+GB so far.

That is a contribution, and it is appreciated.

>  I would be willing to give money, but only after I see an accounting
> and description of where the money is going.
> 

Not that I am opposed to providing information, but if you are using a
product like CentOS, and you think it has value, why would you not
contribute a fair value to the people who develop it, regardless of what
they do with the money.  Each person is able to determine what monetary
value the software has to them, and contribute it.

I give money to distrowatch.com, gentoo.org, slackware.com and several
other open source projects ... I don't care what they do with the money.
They provide things that I find have value, so I give them a fair
donation.  It seems quite simple to me, if you use a free software
product that accepts donations, especially if you use that product to
make money or in a business, you should make a contribution to the
organization.

> I asked for that many months ago and got no response, so I left it
> that there was enough money coming in that it isn't worth doing the
> accounting to get even more money.

At the time you asked, you were asking the cAos Foundation.  We are no
longer a member of that group.  There have been all of about $200.00
contributed to the CentOS project since March 20 (the date of split).  I
can't comment on the accounting of the cAos foundation, as I know
nothing about it, but while the CentOS project was a member I wasn't
happy with the information provided.

We haven't spent any of the $200.00 for anything yet. It is sitting in
the account.

> I would probably just trust that the money goes to a good place, but
> the second result on this search doesn't sit well with me.

Don't know anything about that.  I know that 2 developers have bought
and paid for computer systems to expand the number of distros we can
build CentOS for, I think they should be compensated for that.
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>   That story
> is also the reason I am concerned about the slow and unpublicized
> drift from RHEL-SRPM rebuilds (change to Glade, change to Mozilla
> cert-db).

Neither of these things was unpublicized.

The Mozilla cert-db is done .. we will continue to support CACert as a
free alternative to the get SSL Certificates.  There were MANY posts on
this issue in the Mailing list.  If you don't like it, it is easy to
remove it yourself (trivially easy in fact).

The Glade issue may never be addressed by RHEL ... they built theirs in
a way that it works.  Their SRPM will not build as is on itself.  This
issue is documented as broken by all 3 major rebuild projects.  We have
2 choices ... a non working glade, or we fix glade based on a patch BY
the glade people (who saw it as a problem and patched it).  We submitted
the bug and the patch (that come from the glade website) to RedHat.
They have not acted.

But, since theirs works and ours does not, ours needs patching.

There is also a required patch to Thunderbird and several other packages
need to have special parameters passed in to build.

All these things are documented fully in the bug tracker:
http://bugs.centos.org/
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The PPC distro will need several patches, as RH doesn't care to release
the packages required to build that distro (or any distro for that
matter):

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134188
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=109697
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=134192

SO ... building the Centos Distro is trial and error, since we do get
everything that RH releases, but they don't necessarily release
everything that is need to BUILD RHEL (or build things on RHEL).

Everyone thinks it is just plug and play to build and maintain the
distro ... it is not.
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