[CentOS] [OT][Practices] The Case for RBAC/MAC

Dag Wieers dag at wieers.com
Sat Nov 19 22:30:43 UTC 2005

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Craig White wrote:

> On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 22:07 -0500, Sam Drinkard wrote:
> > Craig, it's not about being interested or disinterested.  The
> > discussion has completely turned into a urinating contest between
> > those that will and those that won't.  Yes, I know how to delete
> > things, but is still fills up the mailbox with unnecessary chatter.  I
> > don't think I'm alone in wanting the thread to go away either.  3 or 4
> > days worth is enough.  Take it to personal e-mail.  I'm in learning
> > stages with CentOS and linux in general.  I sure can't learn anything
> > from this conversation other than who can create the longest post.
> so if there's 10 of you that want the thread to die and there's 1000
> people subscribed does that make it significant?

Maybe the 990 others are sensible enough to not add their own voice to the 
current noisy mess in order to save whatsever left of this list. At least 
they didn't join the endless discussion.

> There are a lot of sysadmins on this list - the interchange is
> interesting in that there is a wide range of opinions.

Sure, but do I want to listen to the same opinion (from the same 
hard-head) 5 times with little added value ? Not really.

If it was just about voicing different opinions, I don't think anyone 
would disagree.

> We all have the ability to delete the messages...it takes but a second
> and it seems to me that your opposition to the continuation of the
> thread probably has more to do with the participants than the discussion
> itself - but let me assure you that the participants are very
> knowledgeable people - perhaps too sarcastic at times but knowledgable.

It's not about deleting a message or ignoring a thread. It's the time 
reading and then deciding to delete that is being wasted. You don't know 
if something is garbage until you actually spend time reading it. 
(Multiplied by the number of people that do not care)

Plus, the threads make this list's atmosphere very, very unfriendly. And 
it's not like it happened once or twice. The same people are involved and 
the same people force their opinion (whenever there's opposition, and 
there always is). If people could just state their opinion once and leave 
it at that if someone disagrees all would be fine.

> Sometimes it's worth perusing through useless discussions to help me
> judge who really knows their stuff and who bluffs and blunders their way
> through things.

And for most it's a waste of time to see people fight and flame. It's not 
good for the atmosphere, the list or CentOS. Remember this is the main 
CentOS list where people subscribe to get help and most I see is long 
threads with people wanting (aching) to be right and defaming other 
people to get there.

Kind regards,
--   dag wieers,  dag at wieers.com,  http://dag.wieers.com/   --
[all I want is a warm bed and a kind word and unlimited power]

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