[CentOS] [OT][Practices] The Case for RBAC/MAC

Marko A. Jennings markobiz at bluegargoyle.com
Sat Nov 19 23:17:16 UTC 2005

At least in my case, Dag is right.  I've been keeping my mouth shut hoping
(against hope) that these guys would finally give the 990 of us a break. 
Unfortunately, history teaches us that they don't have enough sense to do


On Sat, November 19, 2005 5:30 pm, Dag Wieers said:
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Craig White wrote:
>> On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 22:07 -0500, Sam Drinkard wrote:
>> > Craig, it's not about being interested or disinterested.  The
>> > discussion has completely turned into a urinating contest between
>> > those that will and those that won't.  Yes, I know how to delete
>> > things, but is still fills up the mailbox with unnecessary chatter.  I
>> > don't think I'm alone in wanting the thread to go away either.  3 or 4
>> > days worth is enough.  Take it to personal e-mail.  I'm in learning
>> > stages with CentOS and linux in general.  I sure can't learn anything
>> > from this conversation other than who can create the longest post.
>> so if there's 10 of you that want the thread to die and there's 1000
>> people subscribed does that make it significant?
> Maybe the 990 others are sensible enough to not add their own voice to the
> current noisy mess in order to save whatsever left of this list. At least
> they didn't join the endless discussion.
>> There are a lot of sysadmins on this list - the interchange is
>> interesting in that there is a wide range of opinions.
> Sure, but do I want to listen to the same opinion (from the same
> hard-head) 5 times with little added value ? Not really.
> If it was just about voicing different opinions, I don't think anyone
> would disagree.
>> We all have the ability to delete the messages...it takes but a second
>> and it seems to me that your opposition to the continuation of the
>> thread probably has more to do with the participants than the discussion
>> itself - but let me assure you that the participants are very
>> knowledgeable people - perhaps too sarcastic at times but knowledgable.
> It's not about deleting a message or ignoring a thread. It's the time
> reading and then deciding to delete that is being wasted. You don't know
> if something is garbage until you actually spend time reading it.
> (Multiplied by the number of people that do not care)
> Plus, the threads make this list's atmosphere very, very unfriendly. And
> it's not like it happened once or twice. The same people are involved and
> the same people force their opinion (whenever there's opposition, and
> there always is). If people could just state their opinion once and leave
> it at that if someone disagrees all would be fine.
>> Sometimes it's worth perusing through useless discussions to help me
>> judge who really knows their stuff and who bluffs and blunders their way
>> through things.
> And for most it's a waste of time to see people fight and flame. It's not
> good for the atmosphere, the list or CentOS. Remember this is the main
> CentOS list where people subscribe to get help and most I see is long
> threads with people wanting (aching) to be right and defaming other
> people to get there.
> Kind regards,
> --   dag wieers,  dag at wieers.com,  http://dag.wieers.com/   --
> [all I want is a warm bed and a kind word and unlimited power]
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