Thanks for all the feedback So the bottom line is that the HP rackmount servers are rock solid in G1 through G5... Just a coupla issues here and there? I have been following the eBay G1 - G5 market for some time and have been trying to make heads or tails out of it... meaning, are people shedding flawed servers or junk, or.... is there truly just a large secondary market there. We use G1 and G2 boxen on some lower to mid traffic functions and they are rock solid awesome. We are just trying to figure out how many mortgages to take out on the home to get a couple of identical G5 units... ;-) Sooooo what else do we need to know before we jump into the newer boxen? - rh -- Abba Communications Spokane, WA www.abbacomm.net