On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 02:02:51PM -0400, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote: > > Mike, you seem to be misunderstanding - the lusers, like Hadi (sp?), are > asking us to do their work for them, not help them to learn what they need > to do it themselves. It goes beyond that. The issue that sparked this long thread was the *repeating* nature of the support leech; not an isolated incident. Most people understand the first time it is pointed out to them that looking around on their own to find resolutions to their problems before falling back to this, or other similar lists, is of mutual benefit to not only the list(s), but more importantly themselves as it permits them to be more self-sustaining and self-supporting. Hadi had been asked, repeatedly, to at least make a minimal effort on his own; to date there has been *no* evidence of that happening. Not even once. So eventually enough becomes enough and people get snappish. And considering the audience of this list it's not remotely surprising that this is the case - many of us, I dare to say *most* of us, have learned to do our own research and not be as dependent upon others to support us. Why should this not be required of everyone? The world is full of what seems an entire generation of people that possess an air of entitlement from those around them and expect people to instantly drop what they are doing and do their jobs / school assignment / etc for them. Their are entire linux distros that, sadly, compound this problem. And, to be perfectly blunt about it, this is not helpful for anyone. We need more independent and self-supporting people in this world, not yet more consumers and leeches. John -- Much of what looks like rudeness in hacker circles is not intended to give offence. Rather, it's the product of the direct, cut-through-the-bullshit communications style that is natural to people who are more concerned about solving problems than making others feel warm and fuzzy. http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20100805/9015381e/attachment-0005.sig>