Les, I don't understand you, sorry. You talk about something that I didn't ask for. You seem to make something of this thread that it isn't. > it's hard > to complain about the topic of how RHEL differs from Centos Are you referring to this thread? It's not about differences. It's about how to build Centos in a better way than it has been done till now. This doesn't belong here. Maybe it belongs on the devel list or on a new list, not here. And I think you know very well that this thread is just the latest in a series of similarly off-topic threads about "centos politics/policy" and I'm referring to them as a whole. Kai