On 02/21/2011 01:21 PM, John Hinton wrote: > All, > > (and please do not turn this into the next long thread) > > We have a small team which volunteers their time to create the CentOS > releases. They are pounded right now with getting that done... it is as > simple as that. Each of us 'chose' to use CentOS and with that choice > comes nothing more. > > Why are we complaining? To me, it is all very self-centered. Basically > we're all complaining because we 'want' something. And yes, I'm on edge > wanting something as well... but that is life with RedHat in general. > > Some of the suggestions made: > > 1. Send money. OK, so using a very loose or reapplied definition of a > word... we want to 'prostitute' the CentOS team. In other words, if we > send money we have the 'right' to gripe and press for rapid releases? > Demand services? > > 2. Add more staff. As a small business owner, the very last thing you > want to do is add more staff when you are in a slammed state. It takes > all of the 'productive' workers time to train the new staff and output > slows to a crawl. > > 3. Make any other number of 'helpful' suggestions. Well, I think by now > the CentOS team knows better than us how this needs to be done based on > infrastructure and team members. And even if they aren't doing it right, > we don't get to make demands that it be done differently as this is how > they have decided to do it. Remember, you chose CentOS based on how they > operate. You can go away if you like. > > 4. Bringing up other distros that are ahead of CentOS. This just an > attempt at indirect pressure on the CentOS team to get a competition > going. Only the team gets to choose their competition. CentOS 'rates' > how it rates and that is up to the CentOS team and their decisions. Some > cheerleading might be welcomed, as long as it doesn't become an "I cheer > for you therefore you owe me". > > 5. MOST IMPORTANT---- discussing this right now is the wrong time. The > CentOS team needs to be focused on the builds. They need to 'feel good'. > They do not need these distractions, complaints, suggestions, pressures > and generally negative comments at this moment in time. If it really > bothers you, save it for later and bring it up when things are back to > normal loads. Perhaps some good will come out of it, but not now. I know > that most mean well, but look inside of yourself and the rush is about > something you want... and YOU chose a FREE distro, which just so happens > to convert to the paid version very easily. > > 6,7,8,9 and 10 (fill in your own but keep them to yourself) > > If I were a member of the CentOS team right now, I'd likely be looking > at the door. I positively would be needing to step back and take some > time to myself to try to cool off and feel positive about what I'm > doing. To me and from what I have heard from the CentOS team, very > little of what is being said on the list is helping but instead is > counterproductive at the moment. Obviously the team is 'reading' the > list and 'obviously' some of us have pushed them further at a very high > stress time, than they have ever been pushed before. > > You may also note that upstream was also 'very late' with these new > releases. Could it be we are discovering why? (please don't try to > answer that) > > Please please please... ease up, give them the time they need. Make > notes for future conversations, but quit distracting them and making > them feel bad. Or, write your scathing reply to a thread... get really > down angry and in the dirt... then when you're done, just delete it. > > CentOS team, > > I do have just one suggestion (and I have no rights to ask this). It > seems that the list goes quiet and waits for a while and then explodes a > few days/weeks/months later with this banter. If you would consider a > public release to this list, perhaps once per week during major releases > with just some tidbit of how things are going, perhaps these threads > wouldn't explode. With that would be the need for it to be an > announcement or something that does not allow it to become a drawn out > thread with hoards of perceived 'helpful' suggestions. I can't blame you > for not doing this prior, as I'm sure it will fuel fires such as the one > raging at the moment. Is there a way this could be done with a > 'no-reply' setting or something? > > With Much Appreciation, > John Hinton It took me this long to catch the joke in the subject. :) I'll pipe in to say "thanks!" for the CentOS team's work. I wish I was in a position to assist myself. However, and I know this came up before, if the CentOS team could setup a proper parent company (a not for profit would be sufficient) then donations from corporate entities would be much easier. I understand that difficulties of hiring new blood, but certainly more (powerful) development machines and the like might help. :) -- Digimer E-Mail: digimer at alteeve.com AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com Node Assassin: http://nodeassassin.org