On 12/12/2013 10:24 AM, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote: >> so you have two layers of network address translation? or is one or >> >the other of those 'routers' set to bridge ? > Not exactly: I just have my router in a different 192.168 address space > than the phone company one. As I said, I plugged the "uplink" port on my > router directly into one of the regular ports on their router, after > setting the IP address of my router, and it just works. thats 2 layers of NAT, then. I usually try and avoid that as it complicates troubleshooting immensely -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast