On 19/08/14 17:19, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> On Tue, August 19, 2014 9:08 am, Toralf Lund wrote:
>> On 19/08/14 15:15, John R. Dennison wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 09:12:36AM -0400, James B. Byrne wrote:
>>>> I agree about the BS part but that does not make it unenforceable BS in
>>>> some
>>>> jurisdictions. And then there is always the threat of impoverishment
>>>> through
>>>> litigation. A big enough complainant can simply litigate frivolous
>>>> torts to
>>>> impose an economic penalty on its victim regardless of the outcome.
>>>> Those
>>>> sorts of disclaimers simple provide a pretext.
>>> It's all noise and such nonsense should be restricted by policy by list
>>> owners. If people can't figure out email by now they need to go back to
>>> using pencil and paper.
>> It should be pretty clear in this case that the "intended recepient" is
>> the mailing list and consequently everyone subscribed to it. So what is
>> there to make all this noise about?
> Wrong. Legally. It is sender and sender alone who knows one's own intent.
I'm not so sure about that. Isn't there is also the matter of what one
may reasonably be expected to assume or understand, and that kind of thing?
>
>> Furthermore, the information is added by the SMTP server (not the MUA),
>> so it can't be removed just like that, and due to firewall policies etc.
>> it's not very easy to send the messages via a different one. And trying
>> to get this feature removed from the service would be fighting windmills.
> If you agree it is nonsense, start using free e-mail (gmail, hotmail,
> yahoo mail to name some, even though I may not agree with privacy policies
> of at leas some of them).
I think the note is unnecessary, but nothing to make a fuss about. Based
on that,
1. I can't see why I should let work-related e-mails bog down one of my
private email accounts.
2. I don't think I have a good enough reason for degrading to one of
those annoying web interfaces. (Like I said, I can't use a real
email application with an outside address, thanks to the firewall.)
>> I should imagine that many corporate users face similar issues, so
>> "restricting by policy" like you suggest would mean excluding all of
>> them from the list(s). Is that what you want?
> I was expecting the list owner to kick one or both of us two and ban from
> the list forever.
That would be more reasonable ;-)
> For creating unnecessary noise on the list. Would that
> happen, I will have to subscribe my different e-mail address (on another
> server I maintain as well). You (if you too will be banned from the list),
> hopefully, will start using free (as opposed to "slave"? - OK, disclaimer:
> just kidding, no legal catch on me here -;) e-mail address.
>
> As far as fighting windmills is concerned: I'm fighting against one of
> them being brought into my backyard (OK, not _my_, but the one of free
> community I'm member of).
Well, good luck on that.
- Toralf
>
> Valeri
>
>> - Toralf
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> John
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