On 25/08/14 12:38 PM, Marcelo Ricardo Leitner wrote: > Em 23-08-2014 19:30, Steve Clark escreveu: >> On 08/22/2014 07:42 PM, Digimer wrote: >>> On 22/08/14 07:07 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: >>>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Digimer <lists at alteeve.ca> wrote: >>>>> To continue your analogy, should car companies have stopped changing >>>>> after the 20s? I mean, the cars then got you were you needed to go, right? >>>> The point is to abstract an interface so you can make changes behind >>>> it without breaking the things already built around it. You can >>>> always add things without breaking anything that already worked for >>>> your community of users. If you didn't care about that yourself, >>>> you'd be recompiling a gentoo weekly instead of being here. >>> To echo John, this is a major release. It's where, when needed, things >>> can change and break backwards compatibility. If a change like this >>> happened as a y-stream release, sure, I'll grab my pitch fork along with >>> you. >>> >>> It's not realistic to expect backwards compatibility to last forever. >>> The sysv init stuff had a good long run, but it was time to change. Now, >>> you're welcome to disagree with me (and the archives are littered >>> already with this argument), but in the end, it changed. A major version >>> was the right place to do it, and now it is done. >>> >>> So this brings me back to my original point... Unless you plan to wage a >>> war against things like Network Manager, systemd or what have you in the >>> faint home of reverting in the next major release, you don't have a lot >>> of viable long term options. >>> >>> Learn the new ways or fade from relevance. >>> >>> I say this without passing judgment on the merits of the new or old >>> ways, simply as a fact of life. Even if you did hold out hope for, say, >>> RHEL 8 to return to the old ways, you will have a hard time avoiding >>> EL7. It will almost certainly be adopted wide-scale and that will >>> provide inertia. >>> >> NetworkManager is the window's world way of doing things for people that don't really understand >> what is going on. I see no use for it immediately disable it. But it pains me to have to take the time. > > TBH, I also had some pain on learning it, but now that we also have > nmcli (command line tool), I actually feel it's easier than the old > ifcfg- files. It's better script-able than before. > > Marcelo Bingo! Things have to change to improve, and the improve you inevitably take some false starts. Once you get it right though... :) -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education?