On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Tony Schreiner <anthony.schreiner at bc.edu> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Russell Miller <duskglow at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On Jul 8, 2014, at 5:09 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn <dennisml at conversis.de> >> wrote: >> > >> > That presumes that your conservative attitude is the majority opinion >> > though. Systemd is one of the features that I have been looking forward >> > to in CentOS 7 because of the new capabilities it provides so while this >> > will surely drive some people away it will actually attract others and >> > if you think that this will lead to some sort of great exodus then I >> > think you are mistaken. Not everybody is this uncomfortable with change. >> > >> For the record, I'm not uncomfortable with change. I'm uncomfortable with >> stupid, >> poorly thought out, monolithic change that ignores half a century of the >> UNIX philosophy. >> And creating a daemon that tries to handle everything but the kitchen sink >> and implementing >> it in such a way as to make it nearly incomprehensible to me certainly >> qualifies >> as that type of change. >> >> Sysvinit may not be perfect, but it's UNIX. Systemd is... a lot of >> things, but more >> of a windows-like solution than I"m comfortable with. It's just dumb. >> Surely there could >> have been a better way of accomplishing their goals without creating the >> equivalent of >> Cartman's Trapper Keeper. >> >> And yea, I'm kind of an old white guy (is 38 old?) The guy who called >> that out as >> a negative is not helping his cause with me. This old white guy has been >> doing Linux >> administration when some people on this list were pulling the hair of >> girls they liked >> and eating bugs. >> >> (and if that was yesterday, I don't want to hear about it. :)) >> >> --Russell >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS at centos.org >> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >> > > > What's Windows-ish about it? It's all text files; easily available to look > at. Windows used to have a single win.ini file with all configs in it. Then it replaced that with a binary equivalent you access and manipulate using programs or whatnot. I think the point is that is where systemd is going to, and there are many good arguments for that. But there are also compelling reasons against it. Also, you as a developer/manager has to interact with this 2600lb Gorilla (he gained some weight throughout the years) that is the OS using libraries and programs that are poorly documented and rather buggy. Or hack your way in. All that while hoping that ape will not starting flinging poop your way for absolutely no reason (bugs, security flaws, etc). > And Solaris with SMF went in this direction many years ago. > And so did Apple in a certain way (their plists and launchd and so on). Was that an improvement? I honestly cannot answer that. > Tony Schreiner > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos