On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Scott Robbins <scottro at nyc.rr.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 10:27:41AM -0400, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote: > > Scott Robbins wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 02:09:49PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > > >> On 08.07.2014 13:57, Scott Robbins wrote: > > > > > > > > Very true. I do remember Adam Williamson of Fedora commenting on their > > > forums that he pictured many of the complainers about various changes, > > > including systemd, to be old white guys, which fit me to a T. > > <snip> > > So he's guilty of ageism, as well as aggressively NIH (Not Invented > Here), > > and a faddist.... Did he actually have any *good*, persuasive reasons for > > such changes? > > Wow. This was my bad in assuming everyone knows who Adam is--a very good > natured and helpful person. He was formerly with Mandriva, I think, and > came to Fedora where he has made enormous strides in seeing things from the > user standpoint, getting bugs filed, making Fedora a much better > distribution (and better documented), than it had been. My statement's > implication, though of course, tongue in cheek, was that Even Adam > thinks.... > > So, for any friends or fans of Adam on this list, I apologize if that came > out as a putdown or anything more than a jesting complaint. > > > > Yeah, tongue in cheek. Uh huh. Sure. "Disadvantages: people who dislike change are going to hate this one. Note to people who dislike change: you could still remove NetworkManager post-install if you really hate it. Having it in core doesn't preclude that. You could also still exclude it with a kickstart. Makes the minimal install somewhat larger." - Adam Williamson ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=693602#c31)