Marcelo Ricardo Leitner wrote: > On 08-10-2014 14:36, Les Mikesell wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Robert Arkiletian <robark at gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Just a heads up to those who haven't seen this yet. The main author of >>> systemd publicly wrote about being basically persecuted. >>> >>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/J2TZrTvu7vd >> >> But oddly, he didn't even mention that there would be a real simple >> solution - just add backwards-compatible improvements instead of >> actively wrecking the interfaces everyone else had depended on for >> decades. > > "decades". That, by itself, already calls for an update, no? Why? Do you ride a bicycle differently, or drive differently, than you did say, 20 years ago? You went out and bought a recumbent, or an electric car? While we're at it, can you tell me how much better a brand new microwave, with 20 touch-buttons for misguessing how long to cook something, is better than the old microwave I used to have that had a "cook/defrost" dial, and a timer dial? <snip> > Like for firewalld and systemd, as they were already mentioned in here. > It's hard _just because_ it's different. But wait, wasn't iptables > different from ipchains? And is nftables going to be as the same as > iptables? No, of course not. There are features in nftables that you > can't put into iptables cleanly, so you need a new workflow on it. Actually, I struggled with ipchains, and found iptables much simpler. I've yet to see anyone suggest that systemd is "simpler". mark