On 10/9/2014 8:18 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > M$ Windows is the only OS (and I knew quite a few of the past and know > quite a few of present) whose creators tell you you can not safely run it > without 3rd part software (anti-virus)... Windows has included a decent A/V system, variously called Microsoft Security Essentials, and Microsoft Defender for the last several major releases. any other fables? -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast